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    Default Secret deal kept British Army out of battle of Basra

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...ffset=0&page=1

    A secret deal between Britain and the notorious al-Mahdi militia prevented British Forces from coming to the aid of their US and Iraqi allies for nearly a week during the battle for Basra this year, The Times has learnt.

    Four thousand British troops – including elements of the SAS and an entire mechanised brigade – watched from the sidelines for six days because of an “accommodation” with the Iranian-backed group, according to American and Iraqi officers who took part in the assault.

    US Marines and soldiers had to be rushed in to fill the void, fighting bitter street battles and facing mortar fire, rockets and roadside bombs with their Iraqi counterparts.

    Hundreds of militiamen were killed or arrested in the fighting. About 60 Iraqis were killed or injured. One US Marine died and sevenwere wounded.

    US advisers who accompanied the Iraqi forces into the fight were shocked to learn of the accommodation made last summer by British Intelligence and elements of al-Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shia Muslim cleric.

    The deal, which aimed to encourage the Shia movement back into the political process and marginalise extremist factions, has dealt a huge blow to Britain’s reputation in Iraq.

    Under its terms, no British soldier could enter Basra without the permission of Des Browne, the Defence Secretary. By the time he gave his approval, most of the fighting was over and the damage to Britain’s reputation had already been done.

    Senior British defence sources told The Times that Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi Prime Minister, who ordered the assault, and high-ranking US military officers had become disillusioned with the British as a result of their failure to act. Another confirmed that the deal, negotiated by British Intelligence, had been a costly mistake.

    The Ministry of Defence has never confirmed that there was a deal with al-Mahdi Army, but one official denied that the delay in sending in troops was because of the arrangement agreed with the Shia militia.

    A spokesman for the MoD said that the reason why troops were not sent immediately into Basra was because there was “no structure in place” in the city for units to go back in to start mentoring the Iraqi troops.

    Colonel Imad, who heads the 2nd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 1st Iraqi Army Division, the most experienced division, commanded one of the quick-reaction battalions summoned to assist British-trained local forces, who faltered from the outset because of inexperience and lack of support.

    He said: “Without the support of the Americans we would not have accomplished the mission because the British Forces had done nothing there.

    “I do not trust the British Forces. They did not want to lose any soldiers for the mission.”

    Lieutenant-Colonel Chuck Western, a senior US Marine advising the Iraqi Army, told The Times: “I was not happy. Everybody just assumed that because this deal was cut nobody was going in. Cutting a deal with the bad guys is generally not a good idea.”

    He emphasised, however, that he was not being critical of the British military, which he described as first-rate.

    Captain Eric Whyne, another US Marine officer who took part in the battle, said that he was astounded that “a coalition force would make a pact with essentially their enemy and promise not to go into their area so as not to get attacked”. He alleged that “some horrific atrocities” were committed by the militia in Basra during the British watch.

    A senior British defence source agreed that the battle for Basra had been damaging to Britain’s reputation in Iraq. “Maliki, and the Americans, felt the British were morally impugned by the deal they had reached with the militia. The British were accused of trying to find the line of least resistance in dealing with the Shia militia,” said the source.

    “You can accuse the Americans of many things, such as hamfistedness, but you can’t accuse them of not addressing a situation when it arises. While we had a strategy of evasion, the Americans just went in and addressed the problem.”

    Another British official said that the deal was intended as an IRA-style reconciliation. “That is what we were trying to do but it did not work.” The official added that “accommodation” had become a dirty word.

    US officials knew of the discussions, which continued until March this year. They facilitated the peaceful exit of British troops from a palace compound in Basra last September in return for the release of a number of prisoners. The arrangement fell apart on March 25 when Mr al-Maliki ordered his surprise assault on Basra, catching both the Americans and British off-guard.

    The Americans responded by flying in reinforcements, providing air cover and offering the logistical and other support needed for the Iraqis to win.

    The British were partly handicapped because their commander, Major-General Barney White-Spunner, was away on a skiing holiday when the attack began. When Brigadier Julian Free, his deputy, arrived to discuss the situation with Mr al-Maliki at the presidential palace in Basra, he was made to wait outside.

    The first British troops only entered the city on March 31.

    The MoD spokesman said that the operation was launched at such short notice that the only support that could be given in the first few days was air power – in the form of Tornado ground attack aircraft – and logistics.

    He said that after British troops were withdrawn from Basra last year it was realised that the Iraqi forces still needed help, which was why the current British force contained more instructors and trainers.

    Second article on the subject:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...ffset=0&page=1

    A mortar round exploded nearby as the US Marine stepped on to the street in Basra, forcing him to dive back inside his combat vehicle for cover.

    “That was the first time that I thought, OK, this is serious, we are not playing games any more,” said Lieuten-ant-Colonel Chuck Western, one of the first Marines to venture into the city in late March to support an Iraqi-led offensive against gangs of well-armed militia.

    Holed up at an old police station, the 400-strong battalion of Iraqi soldiers was taking a pounding, but the men cheered at the sight of their team of seven military advisers – embedded officers and soldiers who help to train Iraq’s fledgeling forces.

    The Basra offensive, started unexpectedly by Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi Prime Minister, on March 25 to rid the oil-rich port city of armed gangs, was the first real test of the Government’s ability to impose its authority on one of the most lawless parts of the country. It also demonstrated a growing distrust of the British military, which was kept unaware of the plan until the last moment after Mr al-Maliki discovered that Britain had been negotiating with the very militia he was trying to expel.
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    Even after the offensive had started, the 4,000 British troops based at Basra airport were unable to join the fight because of a deal with al-Mahdi Army not to enter the city. It would take six days before the permission was granted by Des Browne, the Defence Secretary.

    Details of the “accommodation” between British intelligence officers and elements of al-Mahdi Army, which has been blamed for murders and other atrocities in Basra for the past four years, shocked US and Iraqi officers, who have expressed a sense of betrayal. All parties involved agree that Britain’s reputation in Iraq has been badly, possibly irrevocably, damaged by the episode.

    The Charge of the Knights, as the operation was called, got off to a shaky start as Iraqi police and soldiers – trained by the British but lacking much experience – met fierce resistance from the Shia militiamen, threatening a humiliating early defeat for the Iraqi leader.

    Demoralised and outgunned, some 3,000 men surrendered their weapons and fled, their vehicles left burning in the street. Mr al-Maliki, who flew down to Basra to take command of the operation, knew that the outcome would probably decide his fate as well.

    “There was a lot of confusion at that time,” Colonel Western told The Times from his base in the city of Baquba, northeast of Baghdad. “Units were evaporating from the 14th division. Orders were not necessarily clear. The battalion was being sent all over the place. There was not a coherent plan at the time.”

    Corporal Hussein Abid Hamza is a soldier in the 2nd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 1st Division of the Iraqi Army. It is Iraq’s best-trained division and is seen as a rapid reaction unit. Colonel Western and his team helped to train the troops.

    Arriving at the northern gates of Basra as part of the first wave of additional manpower, Corporal Hamza admitted that he had an attack of nerves as he saw two colleagues give up and go home. “I told myself that if I gave up too, then someone else would, and someone else would until no one is left,” said the 23-year-old, who opted to stay and fight, holding out for three or four days at the nearby police station in what the Marine advisers refer to as the Battle of the Gates.

    Sergeant Joshua Stone, 23, remembers that battle all too well, particularly one night when militiamen started attacking the police station where the Iraqis and their US advisers were based with 120mm rounds.

    “Somebody took them [the attackers] out before they landed on top of us, but that was pretty scary knowing that the next one was going to land on top of us,” he said.

    Colonel Imad, the commander of one of the rapid reaction battalions, said that he thought he might die.

    “I carry a photograph of my children in my pocket but I did not allow myself to look at it because I was feeling at the time that I would never see my children again and I did not want to cause myself extra psychological pressure,” he said.

    Brigadier-General Adel Abbas, commander of the 1st Brigade, 1st Division, complained that the British failed to provide any support for his men, even though they were taking part in clearing areas such as Hayaniya, once a no-go area for British troops.

    The 1st Battalion commander recalled asking for a portable toilet only to be told that he should ask his own Defence Ministry because it had the resources.

    Even with restricted British help, the battle began to turn against the militia once a US presence was established. Marines were able to call in air support and artillery and target mortar positions and snipers, inflicting damage on a militia force that until that moment had enjoyed a free reign.

    General Abbas said that the militia’s power had been overestimated and likened al-Mahdi Army’s strength to a rotten door – give it a good kick and it will shatter.

    “In 2005, the British started to lose in Basra. They left the mission and started to defend themselves,” he said. “The militia and other bad guys started to become strong. The militia did not see any serious power from the Army.” He was referring to the situation in August last year, when the remaining few hundred British troops were under siege at the Basra palace fortified compound inside the city. Britain’s main base at an airport just outside the city was also under constant rocket and artillery fire.

    In what turned out to be a misinterpretation of the violence as criminal-led rather than a full-blown insurgency, Britain cut a deal with the Sadrist militia to ensure the safe withdrawal of British troops from the Basra palace to the airport in return for the release of a number of militia prisoners, in what became known as the “accommodation”.

    The broader plan had been to reach out to the political wing of al-Mahdi Army to try to bring it into the political process and marginalise the extremists, according to a British official with knowledge of the negotiations.

    The arrangement was not dissimilar to the agreement struck between the US military and Sunni Muslim insurgents in central Iraq. The difference was that the British had effectively surrendered control of the city.

    Under attack from Iraqi forces backed by US advisers and air power, the resolve of the militiamen started to crumble. The first signal that the battle for Basra was over came when Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr, the Mahdi Army leader, agreed to observe a ceasefire brokered by Iran.

    The black-clothed militiamen started to melt away across the Shatt al-Arab waterway towards the nearby Iranian border. Local people, who had existed under the tyranny of the militia, quickly took advantage of the situation.

    They began talking to Iraqi soldiers and tipping them off about where to find huge stockpiles of rockets, roadside bombs, mortars, rifles, ammunition and other weapons.

    Colonel Richard Iron, the British adviser to the top Iraqi commander in Basra, said that his most memorable moment was on April 19 when the security forces passed through Hayaniya, once the most notorious hotbed in the city, where numerous tortured bodies had been dumped.

    “There were a number of minor battles when the Mahdi Army tried to resist the Iraqi Army, but by lunch-time it was all over,” he said.
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    “The most remarkable thing was the sense of liberation amongst the population . . . it was then that I was certain we had the people on our side and we couldn’t lose.”

    Four months on, security continues to improve in the city, but people remain sceptical that it will last.

    Eman Ali, 24, a university student who stopped attending classes at the height of the intimidation, said: “My life has changed dramatically since the operation because like many women I was on the verge of being killed for refusing to follow the orders of the militias and wear a headscarf.

    “Now I am back to studying and I can move around more freely, but I still don’t trust the situation.”
    Thoughts?

    Obviously you can't go back in time and the British are certainly not alone in the Iraq mistakes department. However I am more concerned about what it signals for the future, especially in Afghanistan but even for what remains in Southern Iraq. I think it has pretty much been established that you can not treat the type of insurgencies we are facing in Iraq and Afghanistan like the conflict in NI. It's worrying that there are those pushing for similar negotiations and accommodations with the Taliban in certain areas of that country. There is a time and place for reconciliation and negotiation, but it has to be done from a position of strength and with certain lines drawn in the sand.

    It seems to me that cutting side deals to allow bad guys to run wild as long as they hold off attacks on troops does nothing but push the problem into the future and make sure that when the situation does come to a head the enemy is far stronger than they would have been.

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    Default Re: Secret deal kept British Army out of battle of Basra

    OMG.

    Well it's not secret anymore man, thanks for ruining it.

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    Default Re: Secret deal kept British Army out of battle of Basra

    It also demonstrated a growing distrust of the British military, which was kept unaware of the plan until the last moment after Mr al-Maliki discovered that Britain had been negotiating with the very militia he was trying to expel.


    Sounds to me morelike the Iraqi's are complaining because they were trying to prove a point and that real reason the British forces didn't go in was because they were unprepared for the operation.
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    Default Re: Secret deal kept British Army out of battle of Basra

    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    I think it has pretty much been established that you can not treat the type of insurgencies we are facing in Iraq and Afghanistan like the conflict in NI.
    Says who?

    If the Americans didn't start the fighting in Basra again, but allowed al-Mahdi to establish a political base there like the Brits planned, who knows what would have happened?

    They have tried the American way for 5 years now, why not give the Brits a chance?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Says who?

    If the Americans didn't start the fighting in Basra again, but allowed al-Mahdi to establish a political base there like the Brits planned, who knows what would have happened?

    They have tried the American way for 5 years now, why not give the Brits a chance?
    The Americans didn't start the fighting in Basra earlier this year. Maliki did. Um... have you even read the articles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    The Americans didn't start the fighting in Basra earlier this year. Maliki did. Um... have you even read the articles?
    Fair enough.
    America's puppet started the fighting, and America supported it.

    Point is: they still didn't give the British plan a chance.
    You made it sound like the British plan failed, like the al-Mahdi militia started the fighting, but it was Iraq+America who are so obsessed with military solutions that they attacked them just to show off their "authority".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Fair enough.
    America's puppet started the fighting, and America supported it.

    Point is: they still didn't give the British plan a chance.
    You made it sound like the British plan failed, like the al-Mahdi militia started the fighting, but it was Iraq+America who are so obsessed with military solutions that they attacked them just to show off their "authority".
    The british did fail. They surrendered the city and the local inhabitants were all to willing to have the real Iraqi Army in Basra before a bunch of theocratic militiamen. If you're calling the U.S. terrorists though I don't know what the good of reasoning with you would be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    If the Americans didn't start the fighting in Basra again, but allowed al-Mahdi to establish a political base there like the Brits planned, who knows what would have happened?
    Women would still end up in Iraqi morgues beheaded, strangled, or otherwise beaten to death for not wearing hijab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauvin View Post
    Women would still end up in Iraqi morgues beheaded, strangled, or otherwise beaten to death for not wearing hijab?
    I'd rather be forced to wear a hijab than see my friends and relatives get killed by terrorist attacks or by over zealous US mercenaries.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I'd rather be forced to wear a hijab than see my friends and relatives get killed by terrorist attacks or by over zealous US mercenaries.
    All of which doesn't seem to be happening now that Basra is in the Iraqi army's control.

    All I can say is, it's a good thing you're not in charge,a nd your idea wasn't tried.

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    oh okay. we'll let britain shoulder all the burden.

    wait, they refuse to take the lead role?!

    well that answers that.
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    LOL "AMERICA'S PUPPET HE SAYS!" LOL
    I've been here the whole time.

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    I wonder if he'll turn back into Iran's puppet when the US leaves :hmmm:

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    Yes, this is pretty bad. If we're not going to intervene in Basra I do not see the point in keeping troops there whilst they are needed in Afghanistan, the war that has a point to it.

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    Default Re: Secret deal kept British Army out of battle of Basra

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Yes, this is pretty bad. If we're not going to intervene in Basra I do not see the point in keeping troops there whilst they are needed in Afghanistan, the war that has a point to it.
    Are you saying there is a point to the war in Afghanistan? Other than satisfying certain geopolitical and economic interests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri View Post
    Are you saying there is a point to the war in Afghanistan? Other than satisfying certain geopolitical and economic interests?
    I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauvin View Post
    I do.
    So, what was/is this point?
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    Damn you wily Brits! This isn't the gentlemanly behavior of Queen and Country, this is the cunning of those devious Frenchmen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri View Post
    Are you saying there is a point to the war in Afghanistan? Other than satisfying certain geopolitical and economic interests?
    The point of toppling the Taliban, a theocratic government not recognized by anyone other than the UAE, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. All of whome withdrew their recognition after their involvement in 9/11 came to light. A government which vowed to support and aid all who would attack the west and take innocent lives. yes the war in Afghanistan has a purpose. don't go defending the Taliban or their "sovereignty" which is not recognized by any other state in the world, for a damn good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleda View Post
    The point of toppling the Taliban, a theocratic government not recognized by anyone other than the UAE, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. All of whome withdrew their recognition after their involvement in 9/11 came to light. A government which vowed to support and aid all who would attack the west and take innocent lives. yes the war in Afghanistan has a purpose. don't go defending the Taliban or their "sovereignty" which is not recognized by any other state in the world, for a damn good reason.
    Lulz.

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