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    I've seen people throw around on these forums about Buddhism being a peaceful religion that never started any wars or conflicts. Being a Buddhist myself, and a passionate student of the history of my religion, I'd just like to point out that this is not true. While the religion itself (as a whole, despite some conflicting messages from a few sutras) condemns violence and espouses inner and outer peace, its practitioners have certainly waged our own share of bloody conflicts.

    So, without further ado, here's a brief look at some violent conflicts waged on behalf of Buddhism.

    The first and perhaps the most prominent Buddhist conflict occured in 1193, when Muslim invaders from Asia Minor (the specific faction of these invaders are not noted; and were simply recorded as "Muslim warriors from the North West", in "Accounts of the Magadha Pilgrimage" as recorded by Buddhist historians in the Yuan dynasty), looking to expand their borders, attacked and conquered Magadha, which, at the time, served as the capitol of Buddhism in India, being home to the Valabhi and Nalanda. Prior to the invasion, according to primary sources, the Buddhists there were split on deciding how to react. The majority wanted to stay and defend their religious homeland while a significant opposition wanted to flee north to China, where Buddhism was flourishing. A vote was taken and a compromise was reached. A portion of the Buddhist population would take all the sacred texts and artifacts to China while the remainder would stay and fight alongside the local militia.

    Those who remained fought a fierce and desperate guerilla war against the invaders, but at the end, they lost. The Muslims were so bloodied by the war, however, that afterwards, they called for the destruction of every single Buddhist monastery and university in the area. For all practical purposes, that tolled the death of Buddhism in that area, and as a result, for all practical purposes, that single event shifted the Buddhist capitol from India to China.

    This was the first record of a major conflict waged by Buddhists.

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    Next up, Tibet.

    Tibet, ever since the Tang dynasty, has embraced Buddhism as their primary religion. The first sutras delivered to the Tibetians by a combination of Tang missionaries and western pilgrims arriving from the Silk Road were not welcomed by the natives as it was very close to Jainism - prohibiting certain practices such as eating meat (which the Tibetians found absolutely unacceptable as in the harsh mountainous regions of Tibet, they cound not afford to be vegetarians). Therefore, they adopted their own version of Buddhism - Red Buddhism as they themselves called it - which served better the needs of the Tibetian people. Due to this, those Tibetians who embraced Buddhism quickly became cultural and spiritual allies of the very much Buddhist Tang empire, and engaged in trade and immigration, which gave them a step above the non-Buddhist Tibetians.

    This caused great resentment among the various Tibetian tribes who were not Buddhist, and who saw the Buddhist expansion as a threat to their very survival. Thus, the tribes often participated in frequent raids and skirmishes against Buddhist villages and cities. Most of these raids were repeled by private militias (whom the Tibetian Buddhist leadership strictly emphasized were NOT sponsored by the abbots), mercenaries, and Chinese imperial troops, whenver they happened to get rotated to the Tibetian frontier.

    The regional conflict simmered for a good 300 years, periodically interrupted by disasters like the Mongol invasion (which triggered a Tibetian rebellion, which, though it was heavily motivated by religion, I won't count as a "religious war") until in 1490, when it began to boil. For the first time in history, the non-Buddhist tribes of Tibet made a military alliance and began to wage a determined and persistent military campaign against the Tibetian Buddhists. Unfortunately for these tribes, the Ming empire's imperial garrison in eastern Tibet happened to be lead by the very competent general Zhu Long Ti, a Ming prince sent to the frontier (like a lot of Chinese princes do) to train his mettle.

    For lack of a better motive, General Zhu (a devout athiest himself) simply got tired of the Tibetian tribes' crap and decided to counter their offensive with one of his own. Half way through his counter offensive, the general was recalled by the Ming court for recklessly starting a campaign without consulting the military brass above him (namely, the Emperor himself). The deed was already done, however, and by the time the general was recalled, the Tribes were tattered and ravaged, but that they were in no way defeated. They continued the offensive with a renewed vigor, overconfident that though they stood no chance against the Imperial army, a few Buddhists were no problem.

    Thus began a bitter conflict between between two sides of the same culture. This time, the Buddhist leadership could not maintain neutrality. The monks began drafting Buddhists by the hundreds into a self-proclaimed "golden righteous army", who proclaimed to fight to defend their home and religion. The bitter war lasted for two whole years, until in the summer of 1492, General Zhu came back, and this time with his father's permission, decimated the tribes and forced their surrender. The Ming Emperor, facing an overstretched empire as is, wisely gave the lands of the conquered tribes to the Tibetian Buddhists to govern (together, the lands form the modern Tibet proper). The Tibetian Buddhists, faced with an unprecedenced problem of governing almost six times the population they had, devised a political-religious theocracy of what we call Dalaism. And at the head of that theocracy is the Dalai Lama, a religious and political figure whose lineage lasts until today.

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    The most famous monastery in the world (not really due to religious or spiritual significance, and mostly thanks to action flicks from Hollywood) is the Shao Lin Temple, famous for its martial tradition and warrior monks. During the early Qing dynasty, it was also the base of a major anti-government inssurection group.

    It must be said that the Yellow Buddhists (the vast majority of Chinese Buddhists) made it a strong point to separate and distance themselves from politics. It also must be said that the head abbot of Shao Lin never even suspected the people he harbored were Ming inssurectionists looking to overthrow the Qing dynasty, or at least, if he did, he didn't care. Shao Lin has always accepted the poor and hungry to take shelter inside the monastery confined (or, if you were a woman, in the nuns quarters outside the monastery proper). It just so happened that many of the people the monastery sheltered happened to be Ming inssurectionlists.

    The Qing government, upon finding out (and being outsiders, tragically underestimated the position of the Shao Lin temple in Buddhist culture), mercilessly burned the monastery to the ground as a demonstration of force. Bad move. The Shao Lin monastery was erected in 447 AD and can easily make the claim to being the Buddhist headquarter of ancient China.

    Hollywood has made a few movies about the event, where several Shao Lin monks who escaped the destruction went around teaching martial arts everywhere and thus spreading the Shao Lin martial culture all over China and the rest of the world, kicking ass along the way. In reality, what really happened was far more dramatic.

    The scouring of Shao Lin caused such an uproar among the Buddhist community that there was a huge armed uprising all over the Qing Empire. In China proper, entire cities went on strike and protests (not the peaceful kind) were raised everywhere. Imperial officials were killed on the spot. History records such events as Yellow Buddhist monks flooding local offices with their ceremonial staffs and forming a human wall along the entrance so no one could get in or get out.

    The Dalai Lama (Red Buddhism already languishing under the yoke of Qing autocrats) at the time decreed a "Unity Among Buddhists" and pledged the support of Red Buddhists to the uprising. The meager Qing garrison in Tibet was quickly slaughtered, triggering a decade long bloody war for Tibetian independence.

    The uprising in China proper, on the other hand, could not be put down militarily. The Qing Empire recognized the very real possibility of being overthrown, and decided to heavily revise their imperial decree, including making a public apology for the scouring of Shao Lin and adopting Buddhism as the state religion. As a peace offering, the Qing government issued a public execution of those officials responsible for calling for the destruction of Shao Lin on charges of mass murder and derelection of duty, a massive tax relief for Buddhist monasteries, and doling out religious subsidies for Buddhist construction projects. These pro-Buddhism policies remained in Qing legislature until its very end.

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    Anyway, the point of this thread is that every religion has had violent episodes, and no matter how peaceful the religious doctrines are, there will always be people who use them as justification for war. Sometimes, it's morally justified. Other times, it's not.

    Religious justification for violence is often a result of human nature rather than spiritual righteousness.
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    Hm all of it sounds to me more like selfdefence to me.
    so not realy comparable to the crusades

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    Hm all of it sounds to me more like selfdefence to me.
    so not realy comparable to the crusades
    No... but it's still religiously justified violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    No... but it's still religiously justified violence.
    I must agree with Chlodwig I.

    They all seem to be self-defense. but the point that all of us make about Buddhism being a peaceful religion is that the religion itself is peaceful. You cannot say the same for Christianity or Islam or Judaism which promote violence and hate (like homophobia and anti-feminism).

    And like Chlodwig I. said, they are not "holy Crusades against the infidels". it is more like "a bunch of people are coming to kill us. We must defend!".

    And they defending is no a religious act, it is a survival act. Just like the Muslims in the crusades, they were not defending cuz their religion told them to, they were defending cuz they don't want to die (and even if the religion does say to defend, they themselves were no probably doing because the religion told them, but because it is survivable).
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    You missed the sinhalese monks, they have a troubled past and still have questionable ideals and practices now.

    What does this tell us? That any ideology can be twisted and buddhism isn't promising world peace. In fact it has no global ambitions. It also tells us that if we look at buddhism and start expecting miracles then your expecting to much. It is a very selfish religion, which I like, most would see it is a critique. I think selfishness can be moral at times. It is a practice to improve the mental health of the practitioner. It won't change the world but it might change you.

    The difference is in the message, go through buddhist literature and I think you will be hard pressed to find justification for violence. That is not quite so true of other religions, and thats generally where I find problems with them. I think pacifism is entirely practical and moral, I think its fundamental tenet of buddhism and that these people, bless them, are/were misguided and hope they find peace.

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    I think there is a difference between Buddist fighting wars and wars fought in the name of Buddism.

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    There is a difference between justified violence and sanctified violence.

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    Frequently, it is not the religion that is violent, it is the human claiming the religion. The goal of Buddhism is the ending of suffering by way of escaping samsara. Human's have built iconography and stultifying concepts around this.

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    "You cannot say the same for Christianity or Islam or Judaism which promote violence and hate (like homophobia and anti-feminism)."

    None of those religions have anything to do with homophobia and antifeminism. Muhammed campaigned strongly for women's rights, and homophobia was not introduced into the Catholic faith until the middle ages by predjudiced priests who were only interested in power, and all of those religions promote peace and love as their highest values. There is no use superimposing the actions of ignorant power hungry idiots onto a religion they claimed to be a part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers View Post
    "You cannot say the same for Christianity or Islam or Judaism which promote violence and hate (like homophobia and anti-feminism)."

    None of those religions have anything to do with homophobia and antifeminism. Muhammed campaigned strongly for women's rights, and homophobia was not introduced into the Catholic faith until the middle ages by predjudiced priests who were only interested in power, and all of those religions promote peace and love as their highest values. There is no use superimposing the actions of ignorant power hungry idiots onto a religion they claimed to be a part of.
    In Old Testament the god himself said to kill, kill, kill, kill, kill........

    Unless you can prove the old tesament is a fake, all the religions based on it or inspired from it (i.e. same god) must be violent because the god is mentioned to be violent and he promotes killing of non-believers!
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    "Unless you can prove the old tesament is a fake, all the religions based on it or inspired from it (i.e. same god) must be violent because the god is mentioned to be violent and he promotes killing of non-believers!"

    Quotes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers View Post
    "Unless you can prove the old tesament is a fake, all the religions based on it or inspired from it (i.e. same god) must be violent because the god is mentioned to be violent and he promotes killing of non-believers!"

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    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

    If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

    If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)


    Killing of unbelievers, killing of gays, killing of unarmed civilians (the village), killing of women, ....

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    Seen from the point of view of the individual, that is true.

    How many people were full-fledged, responsible individuals, three thousand years ago, without education, without much food, without medicine? Additionally, you see, from the point of view of a human, killing other humans is killing peers: abominable. But if you were an omnipotent God, who in any case can restore them to life, what would it be?

    Just a few observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Seen from the point of view of the individual, that is true.

    How many people were full-fledged, responsible individuals, three thousand years ago, without education, without much food, without medicine? Additionally, you see, from the point of view of a human, killing other humans is killing peers: abominable.
    From the views of ancient jews, probably. But killing human is never seen as a good thing in many other cultures.

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    But if you were an omnipotent God, who in any case can restore them to life, what would it be?

    Just a few observations.
    So why doesn't Buddha(s) or other religions do the same? Killing unbelievers and innocent civilians and gays? (note it's not self-defense!) It's violence when you use force to convert people. Nobody can deny that the bible does promote violence.
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    we got to learn the first part about islamic invasion
    our first unified kingdom was a theravada kingdom and we ransacked the mahayana Angkor Wat for weeks and then again the next year until they had to abandon their capital and let the jungles take over

    but that was more political than religious

    I think you should change the name of the thread Mithie... and we have a social group for Hindus-Buddhists-Sikhs-Jains too, please join
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    There was an interview in April 2004 by a man named Hana Gartner asking His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama about the position of non-violence. I found one of his responses to be an almost perfect view of what the Buddhist ideal of non-violence in the face of violence should be:

    "Hana Gartner: But while you can concede that sometimes it's necessary, there are those in Tibet who believe there is justification that if you do not stand up, if you just are a pacifist, you empower the person who is oppressing you.

    Dalai Lama: Individual case? For example, if mad dog coming, almost certain now bite you. Then if you say, non-violence, non-violence and compassion…

    Hana Gartner: You get bitten!

    Dalai Lama: That's kind of foolish! You have to take use of self-defence. But without harming, without serious harming another, I think that's the way I feel. If someone try to shoot on you, then there is no possibility to run away, then you have to hit back... So that's not serious hit back, but more lenient way, more gentle way."

    The general notion promoted that although the religion nurtures the idea of pacifism, it would not only be ridiculous to leave yourself undefended, but also completely contrary to human nature. In this way, the oppressed do not simply enable the oppressor yet at the same time they do not seek retribution, but rather compassion. Not to execute their adversaries, but to only rely on violence as self-defence in a last resort protection of their rights and integrity.

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    Buddhism is not supremacist in theology. That's the difference with Abrahamic faiths, particularly Islam, since it expanded violently upon its inception, by its founder and his companions. Christianity at least for the first 300 years spread peacefully through missionary work, first by Jesus, and his companions, and they were so devoted to non-violence that they were murdered without resisting.

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