The Hypocrisy of Atheists

[hellas1]

Hello all,

I would like to directly discuss why Atheists, in the U.S. anyway, hold on to a quasi-moral system/ethic based upon Judeo-Christianity.

It would seem to me that Atheism which is Humanistic, whose foundation is based upon relativism, has no legs to stand upon and thus crumbles before it is ever erected! The reason: Relativism is circular reasoning.

This is why, I propose, Atheists hold to a Quasi-Judeo-Christian Ethic & when confronted with a question regarding morals and/or ethics, Atheist's quietly gliss over that glaring inconsistency.

Incidentally, not even Buddhism is Humanistic, although many Atheists cling to Buddhism as a Non-Theistic belief system. Nirvana, in that religion, is the state of reaching the "Unborn, Unbegotten, Uncreated, etc." as one would clearly see in the Buddhist Majjhima and other Nikayas or Sermons, per se, of the Buddha. Stated explicitly, Buddhism is Metaphysical at its' core.

On an end note: Atheists are just as hypocritical as anyone else, even more so I would say. One should help another through one's problems before saying anything about a person's problems, be they moral, ethical, financial, physical, etc. It is too easy to talk, act instead.

Put yourself in their shoes, the old adage goes........... :hmmm:
hellas1

[The Colonel]

I'll quote myself

Athiests are hypocrites too, cant tell you how many times they say oh my god, especially in bed

Are'nt they supposed to be a part of the newer more tolerant generation? sure, they woot for gay marriage, but call me and idiot for believing in something. They also blame some violence on religion rather than on themselves or human nature. People have been killed in the name of political or economic goals, not god.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

Hello all,



I would like to directly discuss why Atheists, in the U.S. anyway, hold on to a quasi-moral system/ethic based upon Judeo-Christianity.



It would seem to me that Atheism which is Humanistic, whose foundation is based upon relativism, has no legs to stand upon and thus crumbles before it is ever erected! The reason: Relativism is circular reasoning.



This is why, I propose, Atheists hold to a Quasi-Judeo-Christian Ethic & when confronted with a question regarding morals and/or ethics, Atheist's quietly gliss over that glaring inconsistency.



Incidentally, not even Buddhism is Humanistic, although many Atheists cling to Buddhism as a Non-Theistic belief system. Nirvana, in that religion, is the state of reaching the "Unborn, Unbegotten, Uncreated, etc." as one would clearly see in the Buddhist Majjhima and other Nikayas or Sermons, per se, of the Buddha. Stated explicitly, Buddhism is Metaphysical at its' core.



On an end note: Atheists are just as hypocritical as anyone else, even more so I would say. One should help another through one's problems before saying anything about a person's problems, be they moral, ethical, financial, physical, etc. It is too easy to talk, act instead.



Put yourself in their shoes, the old adage goes...........

hellas1

lets not get too carried away here... while i agree with the principle of what you are saying, there are some moral truths that are universal and an atheist extolling moral truths that you find in Abrahamic faiths isn't really some sort of irony, yet it would be only natural since these moral truths are universal. they would be true whether religion existed or not. we don't need religion to tell us not to murder, because it just doesnt FEEL right to a mentally healthy person, and it's repulsive to see or hear about. theft just doesn't feel right, because we have this nifty thing called empathy that allows to imagine how we would feel were it us being victimized... these are just a few examples.

but about the hypocrisy i do agree with you.

[Winter]

Alright, ignoring the glaring generalizations and assumptions that in many cases are just plain wrong, I'm going to try to address what I think is your thesis here.

Atheists, in the U.S. anyway, hold on to a quasi-moral system/ethic based upon Judeo-Christianity.

Let me explain something to you. You may want to write this down. Just because a system of morals or ethics is like a religious belief, it doesn't mean that it is based on it. I believe that you shouldn't kill others or commit adultery, but I didn't have to go into the bible to find those beliefs.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

Alright, ignoring the glaring generalizations and assumptions that in many cases are just plain wrong, I'm going to try to address what I think is your thesis here.


Let me explain something to you. You may want to write this down. Just because a system of morals or ethics is like a religious belief, it doesn't mean that it is based on it. I believe that you shouldn't kill others or commit adultery, but I didn't have to go into the bible to find those beliefs.

i agree. refer to my previous post.

[MaximiIian]

Alright, ignoring the glaring generalizations and assumptions that in many cases are just plain wrong, I'm going to try to address what I think is your thesis here.


Let me explain something to you. You may want to write this down. Just because a system of morals or ethics is like a religious belief, it doesn't mean that it is based on it. I believe that you shouldn't kill others or commit adultery, but I didn't have to go into the bible to find those beliefs.

Exactly. For a personal example- I'm not a Wiccan just because I agree with Wicca's ethics; I am one because of everything else.

Furthermore, atheism is merely a theological position. Not itself a religion by any stretch of the imagination. No two atheists have exactly the same ethical system, because the only thing they have in common is that they're humans who don't believe in deity. That's all.
The OP is making a crude generalization here, which takes his own argument and bashes it with a hammer.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Can we stop with these overly generalized and offending half the sub forum visitor topics?

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

Can we stop with these overly generalized and offending half the sub forum visitor topics?

seconded

[The Colonel]

You know what, that's a good idea. I know that sometime that the religion vs Atheism debate is gonna spill over and cause problems and gets everyone nowhere, maybe even get the Ethos, Mores, et Monastica forum get banned from talking about it in the first place, just because some one doesn't believe in what you believe does'nt make them an idiot or a bad person. I think alot of people here need to no that.

[Dayman]

I'd like someone to explain the hypocrisy of me not believing in god.


Both of these hypocrisy threads are retarded moronic. (calling them retarded is an insult to too many good people)

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

I'd like someone to explain the hypocrisy of me not believing in god.


Both of these hypocrisy threads are retarded moronic. (calling them retarded is an insult to too many good people)

not believing i a deity of any sort does not make you a hypocrite. i dont think hellas was saying that. but if he was i wouldnt agree with it. we all have the right to believe and disbelieve as we choose. nothing hypocritical about that at all

[Dayman]

not believing i a deity of any sort does not make you a hypocrite. i dont think hellas was saying that. but if he was i wouldnt agree with it. we all have the right to believe and disbelieve as we choose. nothing hypocritical about that at all

Which is my point. Being an atheist isn't hypocritical (neither is being a theist).

[Bella]

@hellas1's original first post:

you say atheists hold to a Judeo-Christian standard when confronted with moral and/or ethical concerns. are you meaning that atheists use a humanist approach when confronting treating others with decency and kindness? if so, i'm pretty sure that's not Judeo-Christian value considering I'm equally sure kindness and decency were around long before religion ever made an entrance. the idea that one needs a "God" to rationalize being reasonable, logical or kind to another being, human or not, is a laughable idea at best.

for example, let's say a child is born into this world and is never taught anything of any brand of religion, past or present. you are saying that child will never know how to express kindness because of the lack of religion in its life.

@The Colonel:

you say people were killed in the name of economic or political goals and not God. ever hear of the inquisition? or the crusades? the salem witch trials perhaps? all of these historical events were declared to be done in the name of the Christian God. usually by religious fanatics, albeit. but with religion as the cornerstone of the cause, nevertheless. not in the name of political or economic advancement. sure some of these events may have had a political or economic undertone, but when you've got the Pope himself calling for a crusade, the message to the people sure isn't, "help the Pontiff make some cash."

[boofhead]

I would like to directly discuss why Atheists, in the U.S. anyway, hold on to a quasi-moral system/ethic based upon Judeo-Christianity.

Atheists hold to a Quasi-Judeo-Christian Ethic & when confronted with a question regarding morals and/or ethics, Atheist's quietly gliss over that glaring inconsistency.

I like those statements.

People say "It doesn't come from Judeo-Christianity!" or "It comes from the Renaissance thinking!" "the Enlightenment!"

Well whoohoo, 'renaissance' thinking was spawned directly from Judeo-Christian values regarding freedom of thought and the value and integrity of the individual - which in turn led to his power to express his thoughts, despite the prevailing view.

I mean, Saudia Arabia didn't spawn atheism. Simply because the ability of an individual to express such thoughts would be alien to that world view.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

I like those statements.

People say "It doesn't come from Judeo-Christianity!" or "It comes from the Renaissance thinking!" "the Enlightenment!"

Well whoohoo, 'renaissance' thinking was spawned directly from Judeo-Christian values regarding freedom of thought and the value and integrity of the individual - which in turn led to his power to express his thoughts, despite the prevailing view.

I mean, Saudia Arabia didn't spawn atheism. Simply because the ability of an individual to express such thoughts would be alien to that world view.

all good points but would you call Aristotle, just for one example, a follower of an Abrahamic faith? just food for thought. as it pertains to westen thinking you are indeed correct. western christianity played a big part in retaiting and safeguarding much classical knowledge and morality through the dark and middle ages, even while it was doing other, more nefarious things.

[Green]

Someone please explain to me what these Judeo-Christian principles are. What does Judaism and Christianity share that lies at the bedrock of my morality?

[chriscase]

Someone please explain to me what these Judeo-Christian principles are. What does Judaism and Christianity share that lies at the bedrock of my morality?

I dunno about your morality, but otherwise the usual answer would be...

The Ten Commandments? You know, don't steal, don't lie, ... umm ... I forget the rest.

[boofhead]

The Ten Commandments? You know, don't steal, don't lie, ... umm ... I forget the rest.

I bet you most Christians in the world couldn't quote you the Ten Commandments.

But they could quote you two - "Love God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind"; and "Love your neighbour as you would have him love you". These two comprise the whole of any decent law. These two contain the Ten.

I don't believe there is a superior logical system, anywhere.

[chriscase]

I bet you most Christians in the world couldn't quote you the Ten Commandments.

But they could quote you two - "Love God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind"; and "Love your neighbour as you would have him love you". These two comprise the whole of any decent law. These two contain the Ten.

I don't believe there is a superior logical system, anywhere.

Isn't "Thou shalt not kill" in there somewhere too?

[Green]

I bet you most Christians in the world couldn't quote you the Ten Commandments.

But they could quote you two - "Love God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind"; and "Love your neighbour as you would have him love you". These two comprise the whole of any decent law.

I don't believe there is a superior logical system, anywhere.

Replace God with Gods and Goddesses. Still a good moral system?

The second commandment is universal. So I think the OP is wrong.