Hypocrisy of religious people

[Astaroth]

Well, this is something that has been annoying me for quite some time now.

Debates over whether there is a god or not etc often end up in "well, god is beyond our logic, you cannot disprove him with ur silly little brain" (this is a typical religious guy argument).
I'm not going to argue about that silly wannabe-"argument" now. But my point is: isn't it ridiculous how theists accept or reject logic/science just like it suits them?

Whenever a new study comes out that e.g. proves that prayers dont do anything for cancer patients, priests etc say "well this proves nothing, only if the prayers come from your heart, u cant play games with god etc etc". They always say stuff like "god cant be proven or disproven by ur silly logic".

Okay fine. But then please tell me, don't you find it ironic that whenever something in science etc speaks FOR god, religious people are the very first to jump in and say "LOOK LOOK THIS IS IT; PROOF FOR GOD!!!!"?
Imagine what if the experiment with the prayers had shown even only slightly positive results!
Everyone would have run around, all priests etc, everyone shouting "LOOK LOOK PRAYERS WORK!!!". But since the facts don't do what they want, they ignore them.

Isn't that majorly pathetic? Am I the only one who finds those religious people ridiculous? Those who reject all science that goes against their god/belief as "silly", "pointless" and "god is beyond our knowledge, logic and reason" while they would not stop mentioning scientific stuff that even just a bit supports what they believe?

[IamthePope]

This is because Theists know of the existence of God firstly though intuition and faith. Only afterwards is a rational superstructure applied. Reason, logic, and science, are helpful but not necessary to know that God exists. The truth of the Catholic faith is immediately available through intuition to even the simplest of minds.

[finsternis]

This is because Theists know of the existence of God firstly though intuition and faith. Only afterwards is a rational superstructure applied. Reason, logic, and science, are helpful but not necessary to know that God exists. The truth of the Catholic faith is immediately available through intuition to even the simplest of minds.

You kind of did not answer his question. You said that science helps, but what about when it does not help. What about when it harms the faith. He said that religious people just ignore it (which is true. They only like science when it doesn't harm them).

[Dayman]

This is because Theists know of the existence of God firstly though intuition and faith. Only afterwards is a rational superstructure applied. Reason, logic, and science, are helpful but not necessary to know that God exists. The truth of the Catholic faith is immediately available through intuition to even the simplest of minds.

Bill Donahue you made an account here?

This post is a classic example of the old adage "better to be silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it". You want to provide some proof to back up your claims or can I continue dismissing it as the load of crap it is?

Forgive me if I'm harsh, but as a former Catholic (yeah, I know that's impossible right ) it pisses me off to see the smugness I once had in my "faith" manifest in others.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

why does it have to be catholic?

this thread was messed up fom th start. the OP assumes all people with religion are condescending, self righteous bible thumpers (or torah or koran etc) who disregard rational thought.

give me a break.

[finsternis]

why does it have to be catholic?

this thread was messed up fom th start. the OP assumes all people with religion are condescending, self righteous bible thumpers (or torah or koran etc) who disregard rational thought.

give me a break.

No but religious people are. Remember, not everyone that believes in a religion is a religious person. I know a lot of Christians who drink, have pre-marriage sex, say "god damn it", cheat on their girlfriends and boyfriends and wifes and husbands and sin in every other way possible. They are Christians (because they believe in Christ and the bible and all of that stuff) but they are not religious people.

well, i suppose it can be perceived that way.. but at the base aspect.. if you believe in god you are kinda disregarding science?

Not necessarily. A deistic god would in no way mess with science. A really lazy theistic god would not mess with science either. Or a theistic god that created all of our thoughts and history without we actually living it would not mess with science either.

[gambit]

why does it have to be catholic?

this thread was messed up fom th start. the OP assumes all people with religion are condescending, self righteous bible thumpers (or torah or koran etc) who disregard rational thought.

give me a break.

A good majority of them are. I go to a Christian school, also I've met lots of religious folks outside of it, and I can honestly say I've only met about 3 people there who don't eventually fall into the 'well you don't understand cause you're not god' argument.

Of course there are still reasonable religious folks, and I personally feel better inside when I meet you guys, it's just too many of you aren't.

It's like how during WW2, some Germans weren't nazis. Some felt duty and loyalty to Germany, regardless of Hitlers intentions, like Rommel. And I just want to say, I'm not comparing you to nazis to make you seem bad, it's just the first comparison I thought of.

[Megas12345]

Well, this is something that has been annoying me for quite some time now.

Debates over whether there is a god or not etc often end up in "well, god is beyond our logic, you cannot disprove him with ur silly little brain" (this is a typical religious guy argument).
I'm not going to argue about that silly wannabe-"argument" now. But my point is: isn't it ridiculous how theists accept or reject logic/science just like it suits them?

Whenever a new study comes out that e.g. proves that prayers dont do anything for cancer patients, priests etc say "well this proves nothing, only if the prayers come from your heart, u cant play games with god etc etc". They always say stuff like "god cant be proven or disproven by ur silly logic".

Okay fine. But then please tell me, don't you find it ironic that whenever something in science etc speaks FOR god, religious people are the very first to jump in and say "LOOK LOOK THIS IS IT; PROOF FOR GOD!!!!"?
Imagine what if the experiment with the prayers had shown even only slightly positive results!
Everyone would have run around, all priests etc, everyone shouting "LOOK LOOK PRAYERS WORK!!!". But since the facts don't do what they want, they ignore them.

Isn't that majorly pathetic? Am I the only one who finds those religious people ridiculous? Those who reject all science that goes against their god/belief as "silly", "pointless" and "god is beyond our knowledge, logic and reason" while they would not stop mentioning scientific stuff that even just a bit supports what they believe?

Im with ya, you sure as hell arent the only realist

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

hes acting as ridiculous as the people he's railing against, he's no better. he's painting everyone with religion with one broad stroke. thats not rational.

[Megas12345]

hes acting as ridiculous as the people he's railing against, he's no better. he's painting everyone with religion with one broad stroke. thats not rational.

well, i suppose it can be perceived that way.. but at the base aspect.. if you believe in god you are kinda disregarding science?

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

well, i suppose it can be perceived that way.. but at the base aspect.. if you believe in god you are kinda disregarding science?

absolutely not. some maybe not all.

[MaximiIian]

well, i suppose it can be perceived that way.. but at the base aspect.. if you believe in god you are kinda disregarding science?

Not really...at all. I believe in many gods, but I don't disregard scientific facts...that'd be an epically stupid thing to do.

Sunlight's generalizing all religious people based on Fundamentalist Christians, who are a vocal minority ever within Christianity. He has made an obvious strawman fallacy; a major slip-up for someone claiming to be totally logical and rational.

[chriscase]

Sunlight's generalizing all religious people based on Fundamentalist Christians, who are a vocal minority ever within Christianity. He has made an obvious strawman fallacy; a major slip-up for someone claiming to be totally logical and rational.

What's worse, SuNL1ghT is a strawman. His arguments are so pitiably weak I suspect he's a closet papist.

[motiv-8]

What's worse, SuNL1ghT is a strawman. His arguments are so pitiably weak I suspect he's a closet papist.

That would quite possibly be the most humorous, and also the most tragic, irony in the history of humankind. Better performance than Othello!

well, i suppose it can be perceived that way.. but at the base aspect.. if you believe in god you are kinda disregarding science?

No, believe it or not it's quite possible to believe in God and follow scientific principles. There are even, GASP!, theistic scientists.

[MaximiIian]

What's worse, SuNL1ghT is a strawman. His arguments are so pitiably weak I suspect he's a closet papist.

He does certainly act quite over-the-top. I've never met an atheist as fanatic or vociferous as he acts...actually, the majority of atheists I know (which constitute the bulk of my friends) are pretty ing chill and mellow about religion and religious people.

[Astaroth]

Lux, what is your point? I have made a clear point.

You don't seem to have responded to it.

I am taking about religious people. Like the ones who defend their religion here kind of like .Czar defends "his russia" or the serbian nationalists talk about Serbia.

[Kanaric]

Religion its self is hypocritical and contradictory, just read the bible. If it were a novel it would receive an bad review due to the lack of continuity and contradictory occurances.

[Yorkshireman]

Religion its self is hypocritical and contradictory,

Thats very true. The so called "bishop" came to our church today. He was an effin imposter. Never once moved diagonally.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

Religion its self is hypocritical and contradictory, just read the bible.

two things i find wrong here:

1. you can not possibly know the ins and outs of every single religion.

2. you're making a broad sweeping generalization about religion by your view on the bible alone. that's like judging every star in the galaxy by ours. truth of that matter is there are many different faiths that are as diverse and, metaphorically, as numerous as there are stars, and all unique.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

thank you all of you for proving my point...