In light of this case...
...what are your opinions on Religious symbols in schools?
Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
In light of this case...
...what are your opinions on Religious symbols in schools?
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
Take your religious symbols and **** off.
Comes Limitis
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
From an American perspective:
In use by the school itself? No. It's illegal.
By students? Sure, why not; it's integral to freedom of self-expression and their first amendment rights under the free exercise clause.
Vicarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
no, i disagree, it is not mandatory, but i think school uniforms are useful... because it provides equality within the school amongst the children
Comes Limitis
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
In my experience, school uniforms have been a tool of fascism. It might be a different story for others, but I cannot ever condone something like that. School uniforms disgust me so.Originally Posted by Pivra
Really? I thought their humanity did that.because it provides equality within the school amongst the children
Exactly. Public schools should never be allowed to display overt religious imagery. It's edging too close to violating the establishment clause.
But students wearing religious stuff is fine; it doesn't harm anyone, nor does it violate anyone else's right to freely exercise their beliefs.
Last edited by MaximiIian; July 29, 2008 at 09:08 PM.
Vicarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I meant, students will not be able to compare who wears more expensive clothings and stuff because everyone dresses the same ..In my experience, school uniforms have been a tool of fascism. It might be a different story for others, but I cannot ever condone something like that. School uniforms disgust me so.
Really? I thought their humanity did that.
Exactly. Public schools should never be allowed to display overt religious imagery. It's edging too close to violating the establishment clause.
But students wearing religious stuff is fine; it doesn't harm anyone, nor does it violate anyone else's right to freely exercise their beliefs.
Ordinarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
If the individual students want to or are required by their faith to wear a specific accessory upon their person, we do not have the right to deny it to them.
Biarchus
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
CommunistI meant, students will not be able to compare who wears more expensive clothings and stuff because everyone dresses the same ..You have a valid point, but i don't think it really works in a capitalist world.
There ain't no harm in wearing a cross or a burkah (whatever its called, the muslim hat thingy). It doesnt bug me at all, although they do get made fun of it some times:hmmm:. But that's no reason why they should not be allowed to wear religous articles of clothing. That's why i love america, i can go to school in a pirest's gown with a turban on and some buddhist beads and call myself a athiest
Capo
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
If students wear a necklace with a cross on it fine, but I don't want to see any Stars of David or crosses, or anything hanging in (public) school auditoriums and such.
Centenarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I agree but I rather not see crufixes with a bloody dieing Christ on them (even though most wearable crufixes are entirely metal).As long as the religious symbol is not distrubing or grotesque, I'm completely fine with them.
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Comes Limitis
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I think all that stuff about "well, if they dress differently, people with better clothes will beat them up, so we have to have uniforms" is just scaremongering. I've never seen or heard of something like that happening.I meant, students will not be able to compare who wears more expensive clothings and stuff because everyone dresses the same ..
If you don't like it, don't look at it. It's that simple.
Centenarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I said I rather not see them meaning I don't really, mind seeing them but I don't think anyone wants to look at mutilated body tacked to a tree for too long.
The very impossibility in which I find myself to prove that God is not, discovers to me his existence.
-Voltaire
Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from the inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves.
-Mitch Albom, The Five People You Meet in Heaven
The Young Philosopher
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I think they should be allow if the student use them and just that (I'm against religious event ins schools, even if the students make them).
Just public? I don't think any school should do that: public or private.
Last edited by finsternis; July 30, 2008 at 09:20 PM.
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Ordinarius
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
Maybe you don't think so, but that's why they're private.
The Young Philosopher
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
Private schools are private because they want to teach religion? I didn't know that. I thought they were made because the people who found them want to give something to society or something like that.
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to a big lie than to a small one.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf(1925)
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Civitate
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
If it is mandatory, then yes, the student should be allowed to wear it. If it is not mandatory and breaks the school rules, then no, the student should not be allowed to wear it. The rules are put into effect for a reason, not just randomly made up.
Salaam,
Adnan
Comes Limitis
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
When it comes to school uniforms, my experience has shown that, yeah, they're just randomly made up and usually opressive.
I dunno. It think it's kinda humorous in a schadenfreude kind of way.
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
Mandatory and non-mandatory. People should be free to display their religion in school. However, the school itself should not make special accommodation for religions--such as installing foot-baths for Muslims.
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Citizen
Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
I'm in complete agreement with your first point.
However, about your second one regarding the foot-baths, I think it's done more because of feasibility and common sense. Muslims constitute the fastest growing religion in the United States so it's better to install them now than later.
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Re: Religious symbols: Mandatory or otherwise
The school will certainly NOT be paying for the footbaths. The Muslim community will have to pay for its inclusion, and if the school doesn't want it, they're under no obligation to install it. Do you agree?
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