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    Default Abortion.

    I am not sure if I placed this in the right forum to start with.

    But hey, here goes.

    Many people say that a women getting an abortion is unmoral, unjust, and is murder, I myself half agree on this, it is not the best thing to do, because the women getting abortions put themselves in that situation(most of the time.) But, when you take into account the rights of personal freedom, it should be left up to the person getting it.

    There can also be an element of scientific logic put into play on this topic.

    When a fetus is still maturing, most of it's vital functions, are controlled by the base of the brain, the stem, and by the time most abortions are done, the rest of the brain is still developing, and most of the vital functions are still developing. At that point, they are literally just a mindless batch of stem cells and undeveloped tissue.

    Though I agree that the method for getting an abortion could be much, well, less disgraceful, I mean tearing the fetus apart, when it could be just as easily removed fully intact, is way on the side of unmoral in my opinion.

    Now for a short comment on some of the points people will make about abortion.

    Abortion is murder: Abortion is not murder, and if you believe so, then would you want to put everyone who has ever gotten one into jail?

    Having the baby is the best thing to do, it will mature the mother mentally: This isn't a highly used one but it is viable to branch out into an entire debate, which I will quickly sum up.

    1: Quite allot of the people getting abortions are teenagers, and that has been the same for the last 50-70 years, at least in the case of America. As we all know, in America, a 16 year old girl having a child is a bad thing, because highschool ends at age 18(normally, depending on the age you started.) And this can mean a the mother will have to drop out of school, if she cannot manage, and in most cases, the father will have no commitment to the new baby he helped bring about.

    Or it could just end up with a child put up for adoption, never knowing their real parents and having a good likely hood of just being tossed from household to household, town to town, city to city for a good majority of their adolescent years, or even ranging into their teenage years.

    I guess to sum it up, I do not believe abortion is totally right, but, in most western countries, and in fact, most countries in the world now, give that freedom of choice, and have a very loose grip on the freedom of choice, to spite what most bias American media states about America being the free-est place on Earth.

    So, personal freedom, and a self brought on guilt, over a bunch of people yelling "baby killer" and doing nothing more then making the situation worse for the mothers, by ridiculing them for their action, which was their own damn choice, and involved no-one else, and these people who call them baby killers would most likely get an abortion in that situation to. Which brings about the topic of being Hippocratic.


    I guess to sum it up again.
    An abortion is a personal choice, if you are going to be part of the group, mostly confined to the US, and the UK, who call people baby killers, then be my guest, but remember, technically, you are trying to pull away a personal freedom, and that you have no been in that situation before, and when a person gets an abortion, it, in no way, hurts you.

    Just like when someone says something you don't like on TV, if you get offended, thats fine! But you don't have to sit there and watch it for 30 minutes and then make a complaint, nobody is forcing you to watch it, and if you don't, then guess what, it doesn't effect you, same principle. Bud out of other peoples personal lives, and don't try to sue a network because you don't like someone, the relation is sueing/complaining is the equal of butting into someones personal situation, they did it because they have the right to, I can go on tv right now, and show 6/7's of my buttock to American veiwers, ya someone might get offended, but I hold full rights to do so, as long as I don't add the other seventh.


    BLARRG.

    You should all get the poin by now? I could more easily express this if it sparked a full on debate. Which believe me, would just end inside of one side stating the same thing over and over, and the other side doing the same.

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    Read the bible son. Killin is rong. Less its queers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Pope View Post
    Read the bible son. Killin is rong. Less its queers.
    So we should kill you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allthesedamnnamesaretaken View Post
    So we should kill you?
    I don't think I no what your saying. I sure hope it isnt what i think it is. You must be one of them fancy east-coast inteelectuals from san-francisco or some place.

    One thing i have been trying to figure. how comes you cant have an abortion if the babys a queer? they can tell that nowdays some of the time in there jeens. How would that be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Pope View Post
    You must be one of them fancy east-coast inteelectuals from san-francisco or some place.
    lol no

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    Um... anyway...

    My opinion on abortion is, while I don't see it as "murder" and I do not look at it through a religious lense, I do feel that it should only be a last measure sort of thing, only if for some reason it can really be thought necesary (rape, financially incapable of providing a decent life, health factors if carrying to term may threaten the life of mother or child or BOTH, things of that nature). And while I see it as a sad option and not one to be jumped on, I do realize that they are going to be done anyway no matter what (they always have been...), so I my point here really is, if it's going to happen, have it legal and on he books so that there can be controls and measures set on it. I am so worried Roe v. Wade is going to get overturned here in America, because we're going to go back to the days of back alley abortions where women were dying from infection or horrendous accidents from a procedure being performed in secret.

    I see it basically as an issue of a woman's body and health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Tenebris Lux View Post
    Um... anyway...

    My opinion on abortion is, while I don't see it as "murder" and I do not look at it through a religious lense, I do feel that it should only be a last measure sort of thing, only if for some reason it can really be thought necesary (rape, financially incapable of providing a decent life, health factors if carrying to term may threaten the life of mother or child or BOTH, things of that nature). And while I see it as a sad option and not one to be jumped on, I do realize that they are going to be done anyway no matter what (they always have been...), so I my point here really is, if it's going to happen, have it legal and on he books so that there can be controls and measures set on it.
    That fudged "compromise" position is logically indefensible.

    Either killing a foetus before it can mature is equivalent to murdering a grown human, or it isn't - there is no middle ground.

    If it is murder, then it should not be permitted for any reason, even rape or incest, because the fictional foetus-person did not commit those crimes.

    If it is not murder, then it should not be refused for any reason, because the law has no business interfering with individual behaviour that doesn't harm anyone else.

    No middle-ground.

    I am, by the way, pro-choice.

    I am so worried Roe v. Wade is going to get overturned here in America, because we're going to go back to the days of back alley abortions where women were dying from infection or horrendous accidents from a procedure being performed in secret.

    I see it basically as an issue of a woman's body and health.
    States would permit abortion on a state-by-state basis. If someone in a Southern redneck state were serious about wanting an abortion they could take a day-trip across a state border, or take a plane-trip to the North, to get it done. No-one who was committed to the idea of getting an abortion would be unable to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    That fudged "compromise" position is logically indefensible.

    Either killing a foetus before it can mature is equivalent to murdering a grown human, or it isn't - there is no middle ground.

    If it is murder, then it should not be permitted for any reason, even rape or incest, because the fictional foetus-person did not commit those crimes.

    If it is not murder, then it should not be refused for any reason, because the law has no business interfering with individual behaviour that doesn't harm anyone else.

    No middle-ground.

    I am, by the way, pro-choice.



    States would permit abortion on a state-by-state basis. If someone in a Southern redneck state were serious about wanting an abortion they could take a day-trip across a state border, or take a plane-trip to the North, to get it done. No-one who was committed to the idea of getting an abortion would be unable to do it.

    so were you agreeing or disagreeing lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Tenebris Lux View Post
    so were you agreeing or disagreeing lol...
    I was agreeing that it should be legal, but disagreeing that it should be a last resort. It should be legal and freely available on demand with no explanations given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    I was agreeing that it should be legal, but disagreeing that it should be a last resort. It should be legal and freely available on demand with no explanations given.

    oh no no no i never meant a legal last resort, i mean personally for the woman in her own mind it shouldnt be something entered in to lightly. i hink we're on the same page
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    The more abortions the better. We need less people stinking up the air as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhjalmr View Post
    The more abortions the better. We need less people stinking up the air as it is.

    lol thats horrible but funny lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Pope View Post
    I don't think I no what your saying. I sure hope it isnt what i think it is. You must be one of them fancy east-coast inteelectuals from san-francisco or some place.

    One thing i have been trying to figure. how comes you cant have an abortion if the babys a queer? they can tell that nowdays some of the time in there jeens. How would that be?
    To add unto my below comment, your grammar is horrible, suggesting a below average education. Also, San Fransisco is located on the West Coast of the United states.


    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Pope View Post
    Read the bible son. Killin is rong. Less its queers.
    With that comment, I have already made the assumption you are rather uneducated in modern philosophy, probably still in junior high, and a racist.

    Killing is wrong, but, abortions have literally been happening for more then 3000 years, ever since the the Sumerian people's first thought to stick a sponge, um, never mind, you get the point.

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    So true and I am serious.. though my view is that humanity and morality is non existent anymore and I don't want to see anymore ignorant and cruel beings born...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas12345 View Post
    So true and I am serious.. though my view is that humanity and morality is non existent anymore and I don't want to see anymore ignorant and cruel beings born...

    but no one is born cruel. ignorant yes. cruel no. your logic is flawed and not the least bit overdramatic...
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    I am now genuinely concerned.

    Just how fricken retarded and bigoted would I have to pretend to be for people to see that this was a satire?

    Unborn babies are no different from animals. Your average rabbit has more good common sense than a human baby. It is a downside to our advantageous adult intelligence that we take a long time to develope.

    Absent the religious objections, there can be no better argument against abortion than: "well, all she had to do was not get banged up". Well she did. So get over it.
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    stop taking broken pope seriously
    I've been here the whole time.

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    But I want to D:.

    Plus, do not say words you do not mean, .

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    Just looked through his prior post.

    Never mind, it appears he has put on an act.

    Let me go find my gun mudkip, I will show what I do to lying pigs!

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