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    Hey all, I just had to get this out, I think it may be of interest to you, maybe not. :original:

    Anyways, I was thinking about the new Call of Duty coming out, Call of Duty World at War.

    Then it hit me, wouldn't it be interesting to play with AXIS factions for once? To experience their side of the battlefield?

    I'd love to play as Germans, Japanese, Finnish, Italians, etc. Would nobody else like to experience that?

    It is getting ultimately repetitive to play as Americans, British, Russians, etc. I love all the game and I enjoy playing all these factions, but also, one must consider, would it not be a nice change of pace to switch sides for once?

    I know your probably thinking, well, why would anyone want to play as the losers?

    That's just is... It would be an entirely different perception of WW2. There were indeed numerous battles that were victorious for all the axis sides during the war. There could be different fronts, for example, The Finnish and the Russians during the Continuation War, and the initial Winter War. The Germans in North Africa and on the Eastern/Western European fronts. The Japanese in their conquest of Asia, etc.

    I think it would make a great change for these WW2 FPS games, don't you?

    I don't know, maybe it's just me, but there are numerous possibilities for making these successful. Such as, give them a few battles where they were successful so winners wouldn't feel like crap(pun there). But, I think it would be far more interesting to play losing battles, or stalemates. For example, the last few years of the war, you could be fighting along, all of a sudden you get called upon to retreat. You don't even necessarily have to take part in large battles in the war, it could be a bunch of small band skirmishes that end in ultimate victory for your squad or what not. You can also partake in battles like Stalingrad, Berlin, Paris, Tunis, Leningrad, etc. Where there were lots of casualties on both sides. You could be sucessful in the battle with your squad or whatever you were with, but it ends, ultimately in defeat.

    Slowly, instead of starting in Stalingrad for the Russians and closing in on Berlin, you could start in Berlin with the Germans, and over the "German Campaign", you slowly withdraw back to Berlin, where the game will meet it's finale.

    Or, in Finland, you could be the Finns fighting in Western Russia at Leningrad for instance and, slowly, you withdraw to Helsinki, etc. You could be both German and Italian in North Africa, after Tunisia, your pulled back to Sicily, then back to Mainland Italy, etc.

    For Japan, you could be in Burma, China, the Philipines, etc, and slowly pull back out of there and island hop back to mainland Japan.

    I think, this would be an absolutely amazing game idea for the next Call of Duty(preferably), Medal of Honor, or another big-game franchise. It would give you a look at what goes on in the German lines and barracks, the Japanese lines and barracks, the Finnish lines and barracks(Although, in respect to the Finns, they only sided with the Germans because the Russians were their archenemies, so it wasn't as if they were some fascist or imperialist regime). Even the last of the Italian battles, for example, fighting in Anzio or something. I would love that.

    Anyways, what does everyone else think? Keep in mind, it's JUST A VIDEO GAME, there is no need for political debates.

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    yes, i would like. but i think the market says no.yanks like playing yanks. brits want to be a grizzled SOE guy with a moustache rather than gerry.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Brits want to be a grizzled SOE guy with a moustache rather than jerry.
    I'm not fussed which side I'm playing as long as there is some historical accuracy to the battles. Although I'm often bugged by the token grizzled SOE guy who inevitably has a Cockney accent. I was actually shocked when playing one of the WWII shooters to find I was in a British squad with a variety of accents. A Liverpudlian? Good god! +rep to whoever reminds me which game that was by the way, I haven't got a clue. As an aside from the Axis Assault idea, who else here would like a game based on some of the more clandestine operations of the second world war? For example a game could follow the SAS from conception, through night raids on airfields in northern Africa, assaults in southern Italy, and ambushes in northern France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wibbler View Post
    I'm not fussed which side I'm playing as long as there is some historical accuracy to the battles. Although I'm often bugged by the token grizzled SOE guy who inevitably has a Cockney accent. I was actually shocked when playing one of the WWII shooters to find I was in a British squad with a variety of accents. A Liverpudlian? Good god! +rep to whoever reminds me which game that was by the way, I haven't got a clue. As an aside from the Axis Assault idea, who else here would like a game based on some of the more clandestine operations of the second world war? For example a game could follow the SAS from conception, through night raids on airfields in northern Africa, assaults in southern Italy, and ambushes in northern France.

    me neither. i love playing gerry on HOI2. Is the name of the game Resistance: Fall of Man. Brits vs aliens vs nazis?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Is the name of the game Resistance: Fall of Man. Brits vs aliens vs nazis?
    No, it was a Call of Duty/Medal of Honour-esque game and it switched between an American campaign, a Russian campaign and a British campaign. I think the Russian campaign featured a female sniper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wibbler View Post
    No, it was a Call of Duty/Medal of Honour-esque game and it switched between an American campaign, a Russian campaign and a British campaign. I think the Russian campaign featured a female sniper...
    The only game series to have switching campaigns is Call of Duty, so it was either CoD 1 or 2, pretty much. CoD 2 features regular british soldiers though, both in Africa and Europe, so maybe you heard the accents there.

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    In any case, if a game did come out I doubt you would be allowed to play as the Waffen SS, in spite of the fact that the Waffen SS was a military unit which (with the exception of incidents like the Malmady Massacre) was just as legitemate as anything the Allies had for special forces.
    No they'd just call them "Panzer Elite" or some such thing and everything would be good....

    Seriously though, the one unit that would work perfectly for a german campaign are Fallschirmjäger. They fought some of the hardest battles, mastered the most daring operations, were an elite unit and respected by their allied enemies.
    Games don't have to have some sort of happy ending. The whole BiA series does nothing more than feature a couple of days of another airborne operation each time with characters dieing left and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wibbler View Post
    As an aside from the Axis Assault idea, who else here would like a game based on some of the more clandestine operations of the second world war? For example a game could follow the SAS from conception, through night raids on airfields in northern Africa, assaults in southern Italy, and ambushes in northern France.
    I could see that, kinda like a WWII Ghost Recon.

    As for the original thread idea, It would be an awesome change of pace, and reinvigorate a VERY stale genre. If 1 publisher had the balls to do it, then we'd probably see 5 within the year.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius Clodius Pulcher View Post
    I could see that, kinda like a WWII Ghost Recon.
    Kinda like Hidden&Dangerous 2.

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    I closed the off, but Romano-Dacis, plz do not complain with false datas...

    Is Panzer Elite a good game? I going to see some pics.

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    No! Axis bad!

    Really would love to but what the guy above me said...


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    That's something I've been hoping for for quite some time already (i.e. since CoD 1 ) - it would definintely get in some "fresh air" into the WW2 FPS not only because of the different point of view but also because you can get something of a "background feeling" on their situation in battle. Imagine a situation like the assault on Stalingrad from CoD 1 - that was really impressive and I'm sure something like this can be easily done for Germans, Italians or Japanese as well.

    But I think something like this probably won't appear too soon, if at all.
    The reasons I see there are these:

    - "They will lose"
    Pretty disheartening to do the best you can but nonetheless knowing already that your faction will lose in the end. (at least that's what I think that the devs/publishers think). Personally, I think that that's exactly the situation we need because it offers huge possibilities for storytelling etc. (look at the nuke from CoD 4, that was done very well and fitting).

    - "They are the bad guys"
    Well, the usual argument that inevitably comes up I guess. But like with "they'll lose", I think this to be a very important factor as it opens up opportunities to show that there is no such thing as "black vs. white" in war. Regardless of the faction being Allies or Axis, they're still composed of human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankfriend View Post
    That's something I've been hoping for for quite some time already (i.e. since CoD 1 ) - it would definintely get in some "fresh air" into the WW2 FPS not only because of the different point of view but also because you can get something of a "background feeling" on their situation in battle. Imagine a situation like the assault on Stalingrad from CoD 1 - that was really impressive and I'm sure something like this can be easily done for Germans, Italians or Japanese as well.

    But I think something like this probably won't appear too soon, if at all.
    The reasons I see there are these:

    - "They will lose"
    Pretty disheartening to do the best you can but nonetheless knowing already that your faction will lose in the end. (at least that's what I think that the devs/publishers think). Personally, I think that that's exactly the situation we need because it offers huge possibilities for storytelling etc. (look at the nuke from CoD 4, that was done very well and fitting).

    - "They are the bad guys"
    Well, the usual argument that inevitably comes up I guess. But like with "they'll lose", I think this to be a very important factor as it opens up opportunities to show that there is no such thing as "black vs. white" in war. Regardless of the faction being Allies or Axis, they're still composed of human beings.
    I agree, the storyline behind it would be twice as good as an American, British or Soviet storyline from previous games, imo. Their all pretty much the same, generic storyline. This, however, would flip it on it's side.

    I'm not saying make a storyline revolving around the Kempeitai, the Schutzstaffel, the Einsatzgruppen, etc. This has nothing to do with that, I know it's a common misconception, but in most cases, the regular army had nothing to do with this.

    That's like saying, well, the Russians had the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs. So why were the Russians playable? It's hypocritical, and I can see somebody bringing the SS or the Kempeitai into the debate. But this has nothing to do with them.

    I don't think many gamers would even care, they don't give it a moments thought when they play the Germans, or Japanese in other online games. So I don't see the real issue here.

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    Good idea.

    I'm also tired of playing the same damn nations in every WWII game. You can only take Caen so many times before it becomes dull...

    As for the fact that they lose, hell, a good writer could still base a good story on it, so i don't really care
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    Quite simply, the main market for WW2 FPS's is America, I would think so anyway. Not that I wouldn't want to play a German WW2 game, but I mostly play multiplayer anyway so I can be either side.


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    Ya, thats what I thought about when the idea came to my head one day playing call of duty 2. But also, one must consider. You play as Germans in COD1 & 2, DOD online. You play as Japanese in MoH: Pacific Assault online. You play as OPFOR, & Spetznaz in COD4 online. People generally have no issues with it. Do you think that if Call of Duty made a #6 with that idea that nobody would buy it because of a "moral issue" they believe it spins?

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    Who would want to play as the British anyways? They got their asses kicked in every single battle until America with its massive manpower joined the war. Britain would have ended up like France if not for the mere 30 km of water, separating them from the continent.

    Lets see something new; Finland, Poland, Greece, nations that couldn't rely solely on geographic advantage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norge View Post
    Who would want to play as the British anyways? They got their asses kicked in every single battle until America with its massive manpower joined the war. Britain would have ended up like France if not for the 30 km of water, separating them from the continent.

    Lets see something new; Finland, Poland, Greece, nations that couldn't rely solely on geographic advantage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norge View Post
    Who would want to play as the British anyways? They got their asses kicked in every single battle

    Yeah I know the Battle of Britain was a really bad defeat for us, not to mention North Africa and the South East Asia. Perhaps you should read some different history books.

    As for Axis Assault. I would rather shoot Nazi's then play as a Nazi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post

    Yeah I know the Battle of Britain was a really bad defeat for us, not to mention North Africa and the South East Asia. Perhaps you should read some different history books.

    As for Axis Assault. I would rather shoot Nazi's then play as a Nazi.
    Lol?

    You would like to capture Caen for 200 times?

    The Axis Assault could have multiple campaigns so you can play as Finns...they weren't nazi's...

    And Freddie...all German soldiers weren't nazi's...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius Octavius Ulpianus View Post
    Lol?

    You would like to capture Caen for 200 times?

    This doesn't make sense. Can you make your point more clearly please.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius Octavius Ulpianus View Post
    The Axis Assault could have multiple campaigns so you can play as Finns...they weren't nazi's...

    And Freddie...all German soldiers weren't nazi's...
    That maybe be so but your stilling playing as the German army which sworn to follow the orders of the German government - a Nazi government.

    I wouldn't mind playing as the finns, at least you get shoot some commies.

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