Crown and capitol

[svean]

Is it possible to change location where the Crown is given to heir after Kighs death?

I'm playing Teutonic Order now and I wanted to focus on Holy Land leaving Baltic areas to Poland and HRE. So I moved capital to Acre, killed original king and heir in suicide attack, disbanded all northern armies, and sold both north provinces to Poland. Then I played quite a few turns with bid money problems (that's a challenge ), taking Cyprus and such, but this is all manageable. But then my fraction leader got a Offend Nobility trait and I remembered that I need my ORIGINAL capitol to get crowned and... I got pissed of

Isn't there any way to change crowning place to capital wherever it is?? How to play Teutons from Acre then??

[Leonnidas]

There's Lord Finga's mini-mod http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103561, just don't know if it's compatible with the latest DLV versions

[svean]

Last 2 posts says that Lord Friga stops working on 5.4 dvl version and "repman is going to include it into the next official release, and Repman says then "The crown you only get in the original capital,...so you have to regain it if you have lost it."

I know that changing capital costs 10000f but seems that original capital isn't changeable

I wonder what would happen if I'd destroy Kingdom of Jerusalem (to the ground) and take their crown... mean being crowned in Jerusalem... Is it doable?

[Overkill]

One thing I don't understand...If for example you destroy some faction and move your king to their (former) capitol you will get their crown...right? But you risk loosing "at sit of power" or what ever is the name of that trait...and possible "Offend Nobility" trait just to get some others faction crown. Pure nonsense. And what will happen when your king dies...new king can't get that crown? If that's the case than I don't understand this feature.
Also "at sit of power" trait is game killer by my opinion. You are forced to keep your king in capitol. Blah...

[LlamaD]

you can get more than one crown ( of the same religion like yours) so grab yours with your uncrowned king, then move to the (original) capitol of a destroyed faction (with an open retinue-slot = less than 8 ancillaries) and grab theirs. (only faction leader can get crown)

if your faction leader dies later, the new one has to travel again to get more crowns.


i think it is common sense that you need to your factions crown first. o_O

the "at the seat of power" gives only +1 authority and disappears when you move out of your capital. no real need to sit at home all the time.

so wtf is your point?

[svean]

i think it is common sense that you need to your factions crown first. o_O

My point is - when you can't (or don't want to) take your own crown - can you take different crown to avoid "Offend Nobility" trait??

[Overkill]

so wtf is your point?

My point is that I had situation when my crowned king was not in capitol for 3 turns and first he lost "at the seat of power" and later he got "Offend Nobility" trait.
Now imagine if I have to move my king from Novgorod to let's say Constantinople. It's I don't know, maybe 5-6 turns to Constantinople and same amount of turns back to Novgorod. Who knows what would happen if my king would be away for such long time. Civil war maybe. Just because of some crown...no thank you.
Don't get me wrong, idea was good, but not for all factions. For those who have to travel long distances it simply does not worth it.

[Furin]

Nah it's not so bad, all it does is making your king and heir useless for battle as they always need to hang around the capital. Well actually not really, you can let the king get crowned, give the ancilliary for the capital to the heir, and then ride off with your king into the sunset without any consequences, unless you get other things that trigger "offend the nobility" like a negative treasury, or excommunication.

[LlamaD]

svean: you can't. however, if you put your generals together in an army with your offending king and win some battles, he loses the trait.

overkill: he surely did not get the "offend the nobility" trait from moving away from the capitol unless he had really low authority (1 or 2) and the loss of "at the seat of power" trait dropped him to 1 point there. It's way more likely to get it the ways furin mentioned.

And only the Faction Heir has to be somewhat close to the capital, the Faction Leader can go jollygood on the Antilles if he likes to.
Normally i let my old leaders die in battle, crown my new 20 year old faction leader and then never come back to the capital with him. After all, he is a self-refilling OneUnitHorsePowerArmy(OUHPA) equally to any other heavy cavalry.
I have to stop here, because i'm informed i will be sued by Egmont Publishing Company...

[Overkill]

unless he had really low authority (1 or 2) and the loss of "at the seat of power" trait dropped him to 1 point there.

And that's how it was.
Yet another feature that I don't like is very low authority in early days of kings rule. Usually they gain high authority just before they die.

[Leonnidas]

And that's how it was.
Yet another feature that I don't like is very low authority in early days of kings rule. Usually they gain high authority just before they die.

Just make shure ur heir has enough authority begore the king's death

[Xtiaan72]

svean: you can't. however, if you put your generals together in an army with your offending king and win some battles, he loses the trait.

overkill: he surely did not get the "offend the nobility" trait from moving away from the capitol unless he had really low authority (1 or 2) and the loss of "at the seat of power" trait dropped him to 1 point there. It's way more likely to get it the ways furin mentioned.

And only the Faction Heir has to be somewhat close to the capital, the Faction Leader can go jollygood on the Antilles if he likes to.
Normally i let my old leaders die in battle, crown my new 20 year old faction leader and then never come back to the capital with him. After all, he is a self-refilling OneUnitHorsePowerArmy(OUHPA) equally to any other heavy cavalry.
I have to stop here, because i'm informed i will be sued by Egmont Publishing Company...

or in 5.7, you can just throw the "offended nobility" in your dungeon......

[svean]

The more I think about Fraction Leader being crowned the more this seems... weird...

I can't move a capital so if I leave Marienburg behind and make Acre center of my word there is no possibility to have a King unless I got half a Europe but I was thinking about spending some time on it... This means that probably I'll never have a King even being biggest power in Europe, but still I can play that with leader raging around battles with every offended noble, otherways they will just rebel

In my opinion something needs to be changed in those capital and crown ideas

[Megas12345]

yea this is a strange thing IG