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[Augustus Lucifer]

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[Y_filip]

great idea

[KoRnflakes]

great idea
+rep

but I miss the roman(byzantine)empire !

[Augustus Lucifer]

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[AnthoniusII]

Will the byzantine be present as rebels?:hmmm:

[KoRnflakes]

... The Byzantine Empire could be the undetermined 5th Christian faction, if enough people are of the opinion they should be included, ...
Cheers,
Augustus

It think the majority wants the Byzantine Empire

[Zymran]

This is a great idea!

I agree that the Byzantines should definitely be in (they fit on the map and are a very popular faction...) - plus then you can use the Complete Byzantine Unit Roster project

How about having the Mameluke sultanate as an emerging faction?

[IVIarkI2I]

Great idea i hope that you find team to realize it

[Yoda Twin]

Sounds great hopew it gets done.

[Lewagal]

funny. i could swear it's very similliar to the mod thread i suggested some time ago...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=178093

[Augustus Lucifer]

funny. i could swear it's very similliar to the mod thread i suggested some time ago...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=178093

That looks like an interesting mod as well. The difference is that mod extends into Europe and large parts of Africa, and also has the phillipines on the map(which had no significant kingdom before being colonized). Also extends really far north :hmmm:, in mine the very north will be one large province of Siberia like you see with Arabia in RTR and BC.

The goal is to have all the asian powers and have a large focus on asia rather than just a large map that extends that far east. It was extended to Poland and Hungary because historically the mongols invaded those nations, and to eastern egypt. So it's pretty much a map focused on all the places the mongols historically ventured to, minus the failed expedition to Java which is way too far off map to have Kingdom of Kediri included. Oh, and no I didn't copy that thread, this map is a extrapolation of a map I made for another game, extending further west and cutting out indonesia. I don't doubt this has been suggested before(and in fact in the thread you posted a link was offered to an even earlier and similar suggestion which seems to have a little progress), but there isn't an ongoing project to my knowledge that has significant amounts of work done that is along the same lines and focus.

I agree that the Byzantines should definitely be in (they fit on the map and are a very popular faction...) - plus then you can use the Complete Byzantine Unit Roster project

How about having the Mameluke sultanate as an emerging faction?

The Byzantines are certainly a heavyweight contender for the last faction slot of Christendom. Unless reasons can be fathomed not to include them they will likely take the spot. If AnthoniusII wants to make the Byzantine Roster Project available for use in this mod I'd be happy to integrate it, saves time.

As for the Mamluks, I had them down as the 5th faction, but decided to see what other people have to say over time as to the best final member of the Muslim factions. Tried to leave one faction in each region up for debate, since I know how much people like to comment on the faction rosters and what should or shouldn't be there , except East Asia simply because it is very easy to determine those five.

Will the byzantine be present as rebels?:hmmm:

If they weren't included they'd be rebels similar to the Valencia with El Cid in M2TW Vanilla, needless to say Constantinople would be hard to take. That being said, at this time I'd foresee that they will probably make their way onto the faction roster, considering it seems to pander to a new audience who could rebuild Rome in the east.

Great idea i hope that you find team to realize it

Sounds great hopew it gets done.

Thanks for the support

Cheers,
Augustus

[Slash5]

Looks like a great idea.

As the last Muslim faction I would suggest the Turks (especially if you include the Byzantines). You could include both the Ayyubids and Mamluks by calling the faction simply ''Egypt'', and use a reform to change the rosters.

I would also suggest dropping a Hindu faction for another Russian faction since that area seems a little empty.

Either way, hope your mod takes shape .

[Zymran]

As the last Muslim faction I would suggest the Turks (especially if you include the Byzantines). You could include both the Ayyubids and Mamluks by calling the faction simply ''Egypt'', and use a reform to change the rosters.

I would also suggest dropping a Hindu faction for another Russian faction since that area seems a little empty.

Good ideas, IMO

[Augustus Lucifer]

Looks like a great idea.

As the last Muslim faction I would suggest the Turks (especially if you include the Byzantines). You could include both the Ayyubids and Mamluks by calling the faction simply ''Egypt'', and use a reform to change the rosters.

I would also suggest dropping a Hindu faction for another Russian faction since that area seems a little empty.

Either way, hope your mod takes shape .

The faction reform for Ayyubids sounds like an interesting idea, will look into that possibility if it seems like the most proper way to portray both facets of the Egyptian kingdoms. A turkic faction also seems likely at this point in time, might get a new take on it later, but certainly seems like a possibility.

Russia isn't actually all that sparse if you look on the map. All that area north and west of the Caspian Sea will contain Kingdom of Poland, Kingdom of Hungary, Vladimir-Suzdal Principality, and possibly the Byzantine Empire. Then east of that come the Cumans, Kara Khitai, Tanguts, and Mongols spaced towards the Pacific. Where it will be a little bit lacking is in the central regions of the map west of Tibet, north of India, in the Armenian region, and in the Arabian penninsula. The former will just be contentious between the factions north and south of them in the late game, and the latter will more than likely act like siberia and be comprised of at most 1-2 regions just because they need to be on the map for it to be an accurate world map, but that doesn't mean they're relevant, so the provinces will be allocated elsewhere.

Cheers,
Augustus

The Khan declares his support for your mod .

I can help with research if you need it...

Thanks mate, all help is appreciated, especially from anyone with access to good source material. I live in America and currently lack access to my university library(which is just a small university), so anyone who lives in the respective nations, knows a lot about them, or can find information on them is welcome on the team as a historian. The first step before any significant work can be done on units or the map is fleshing out the history to lay the foundation for those, so if you'd like to help feel free to contact me via PM/IM and I'll add you to the team and give you access to where the mod can be developed on my own forums.

Cheers,
Augustus

[Lewagal]

That looks like an interesting mod as well. The difference is that mod extends into Europe and large parts of Africa, and also has the phillipines on the map(which had no significant kingdom before being colonized). Also extends really far north , in mine the very north will be one large province of Siberia like you see with Arabia in RTR and BC.

oh ok good luck people! you have my full support. i may even have some time for skinning if you need some

[Babur]

The Khan declares his support for your mod .

I can help with research if you need it...

[Zymran]

Maybe you could drop the 'to be determined' hindu faction (india will probably already be quite crowded) and have another russian faction, OR Oman in Arabia, or Georgia in the caucasus? [There seem to be lots of Georgians in TWC who might appreciate it ]

[Augustus Lucifer]

Maybe you could drop the 'to be determined' hindu faction (india will probably already be quite crowded) and have another russian faction, OR Oman in Arabia, or Georgia in the caucasus? [There seem to be lots of Georgians in TWC who might appreciate it ]

Certainly a possibility. As seen with Broken Crescent, the first version of their mod only has 17 playable factions I believe, but it is one of the best mods for M2TW out there, and they will add more factions in their next release. It is likely that a similar approach will be taken in the release of this mod, so as not to overshoot expectations for a first release, and that some of the factions, like the TBD ones, will be added later, possibly by a poll. Georgia and Oman would probably find their way onto that poll.

The main area of Russia I was looking at was the area where Kiev and Novgorod are, which would have a big empty gap between Poland and the Vladimir-Suzdal Principality (if I remembered correctly where it's located). The rest of the steppes seem nicely represented.

I also have some books which should be useful for some factions. PM me if you're interested.

Ah, right. Yeah there will probably be a bit of a gap there, not having done regions yet I couldn't tell you if it is more than just one or two cities(larger provinces) or not. Once all of the lands have been determined it will be easier to see where there might be need for a faction to be placed. I don't think it's necessarily ahistorical to have India extremely faction-crowded, since in reality it was an amalgamation of dozens of kingdoms and subsidiary kingdoms vying for power almost to the point it could have a mod of its own were there more books on the subject. That being said, if the fifth indian faction slot is deemed better for gameplay reasons to be used elsewhere, then it will be .

Cheers,
Augustus

[Zymran]

Certainly a possibility. As seen with Broken Crescent, the first version of their mod only has 17 playable factions I believe, but it is one of the best mods for M2TW out there, and they will add more factions in their next release. It is likely that a similar approach will be taken in the release of this mod, so as not to overshoot expectations for a first release, and that some of the factions, like the TBD ones, will be added later, possibly by a poll. Georgia and Oman would probably find their way onto that poll.

Ah right Good plan

[Augustus Lucifer]

ooh i would love to see an asia mod +rep

So would I

I hope you include the Byzantines I have been waiting for Rome vs China for quite a while now.

Rome vs. China, now THAT'S certainly pandering to an obscure audience . Sounds like an interesting scenario though, I guess depending on the AI tendencies and the player strategy though such an engagement might be limited to Custom Battles or easier campaigns, since I have a feeling if we do the Mongols right they'll have conquered China long before Rome can get there. Would certainly be interesting to see though!

Cheers,
Augustus