Stigmatas

[Legionary Jezza]

Are they real? And if they are what is the scientific explanation?

[dwringer]

Well, there are documented cases of it. Some of them are self-inflicted, and some people have said that certain cases were psychosomatic [i.e. the mind makes it real]... I believe that in still other cases no explanation can be found.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

I believe that in still other cases no explanation can be found.

Stigmatics always display "nail wounds" (small cuts actually) on their palms - just like in the standard depiction of the crucifixion. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that Jesus was nailed though the palms for anatomical reasons: it's more likely the nails went through the main bones of the wrist to support the victim's weight.

So doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that God would send wounds just like the ones his son didn't receive? Isn't it interesting that these people exhibit wounds where they think they should be rather than were they actually were?

:hmmm:

Think about it.

[Maverick]

Stigmatics always display "nail wounds" (small cuts actually) on their palms - just like in the standard depiction of the crucifixion. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that Jesus was nailed though the palms for anatomical reasons: it's more likely the nails went through the main bones of the wrist to support the victim's weight.

So doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that God would send wounds just like the ones his son didn't receive? Isn't it interesting that these people exhibit wounds where they think they should be rather than were they actually were?

Exactly, he's got an infallible reputation to uphold. That's why in some recent cases of stigmata the wounds appeared on the wrists.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Exactly, he's got an infallible reputation to uphold. That's why in some recent cases of stigmata the wounds appeared on the wrists.

How amazing - just when knowledge of how crucifixions were actually done has become more common ... :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

How amazing - just when knowledge of how crucifixions were actually done has become more common ... :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

God has a way to learn from us mere mortals
But seriously, I can understand how people would believe this before but these days I simply can't understand.

These days if people with stigmata in past were created by god then it would mean that God is a complete idiot.
Had no idea tho that there are stigmatas these days.
Any examples ??

[Legionary Jezza]

But in the cases with no explanation doesn't that support Jesus's existence, and what of exorcism's?

[gambit]

But in the cases with no explanation doesn't that support Jesus's existence, and what of exorcism's?

It doesn't necessarily support it, we simply dont know and thusly you can't settle on anything. If you do it just shows what you WANT to believe.

[Cluny the Scourge]

But in the cases with no explanation doesn't that support Jesus's existence, and what of exorcism's?

No, it doesn't. If a stigmata-like wound genuinely can't be explained (I have never heard of a single case where it couldn't be) then it would prove one thing only - that the person had a wound there. That's all. It would mean that the explanation hadn't been found yet. If you wanted it support the existence of Jesus then you would have to show exactly that - that it was caused by some kind of divine intervention. Good luck on that.

Also you would have to explain why a compassionate God picks people without any pattern or rationale and makes them bleed and suffer.

Even Christians don't believe in this garbage - the sane ones, anyway.

[Evolution]

Well I get a tingling felling in my right. Like pins a needles, but thats because of all the years shooting guns. Stigmata pains if you ask me are false.

Unless you've had an accident in those places or you have completely convinced your brain that a nail is there then its fake.

[Serious Spamurai]

In many cases they were self-inflicted with acid, and in the wrong place.

[IronBlood]

I would have to say almost all of the stigmatas are self inflicted. Few might be due to medicial conditions that aren't recognized or identified.

I remeber many years ago on the show Maxminum Exposure that had special on the world's biggest liars or dumbest people. One of them was a "prophet" from Central America that would have stigmatas on his hands whenever he preached to people. It should be noted he preached in front of people in stadiums and not in a humble little church. So the local Bishops thought something was up, and had someone video tape the stigmata preacher during one of his "preaching sessions." The video exposed the stigmata preacher when it recorded that he had a little pin that he used to prick himself. Man, the look on the old bishops' faces when they saw the video was unforgettable and priceless

I can't believe I remeber all that from like 5 years ago

[Legionary Jezza]

got a copy lol. What about exorcisms though?

[dwringer]

exorcisms are a good example of the power of suggestion, nothing more.

. . . I need to make my signature just say " . . . at least that's my opinion" so I don't have to keep typing it. . . . but, at least that's my opinion.

[Cluny the Scourge]

exorcisms are a good example of the power of suggestion, nothing more.

. . . I need to make my signature just say " . . . at least that's my opinion" so I don't have to keep typing it. . . . but, at least that's my opinion.

"At least that's my opinion" is taken for granted - whether it is just your opinion or not, when you assert that something is the case you are automatically asserting that everyone else with a differing opinion is wrong. It's a logical inevitability. By actually SAYING "at least that's my opinion" you merely make yourself seem hesitant, as though you weren't confident of your view, thus reducing its force. It is always best to simply state what you think as though it were absolute engraved-on-a-stone-tablet undeniable cosmic truth.

At least that's my opinion.

[dwringer]

I disagree with your opinion, because I think it would be asinine to say what I did without pointing out that it's my opinion. A lot of people go around saying things like that as though they were fact, and they simply are NOT. I have absolutely no evidence to back my claim, even though there are probably studies. I have not looked up any of the studies. If I had, I would have presented the evidence, and not used a disclaimer.

[tesb]

But in the cases with no explanation doesn't that support Jesus's existence

That´s the problem with all conspiracy theories. The lack of explanation does not constitute anything.

[Serious Spamurai]

Frederick Zugibe came up with a theory that the nails could have been driven through the thicker part of the palm and exiting out of the wrist. However, most of these are acid burns on palm (and back of the hands) just below the pads before the fingers, the nail would tear out of here if required to support the weight of a man. Although it's most likely it was the wrist or forearm, the Greek word used (cheir) refers to the forearm and hand as a single entity, in translation it was changed to 'Hand'.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Frederick Zugibe came up with a theory that the nails could have been driven through the thicker part of the palm and exiting out of the wrist. Although it's most likely it was the wrist or forearm, the Greek word used (cheir) refers to the forearm and hand as a single entity, in translation it was changed to 'Hand'.

However most crucifix and stigmatas the wounds are in the center of the hand so they are still wrong.
As you can see here

[Serious Spamurai]

Yeah, I edited like 5 seconds after posting.