what new features will the BC team add when BC go's Kingdoms

[Normanknight47]

so what new stuff from kingdom are you guys planing to add?

[Strelac]

As far as Kingdoms features goes, I think it mostly script related, so Miraj would be able to give better insight.

[Normanknight47]

nice but i hope they put in the cultures from Britannia that way they can simulate assimilation and auxiliarys better and not a must but maybe the capitals from crusades

[anaztazioch]

culture has been discussed allready and mid-east is much more diverse than British isles.

[Tail End Charlie]

Well BC moves to Kingdoms in 2.0, biggest new features being new factions.

[kepper]

And my favorite permanent Castle.

[knight of virtue and valor]

stone player-made forts! hooray!

[Cyrus the Virus]

New voices for campaign.
(Characters, for some faction/s)

[Commander Ruunu]

And of course boiling oil,what's very useful

[Thema'zandaar]

Any plans to incorporate cinematic openings?

[HammeroftheGreeks]

Any plans to bring back the old MTW I rebellions?

It's much missed, as it can totally change a game.

[Deep_Red]

Let´s wait for a team member to make a comment on this^^

[Ahiga]

Kingdoms tends to offer more brains than brawn, as in there's less noticeable stuff (like religion or hordes in BI), but that doesn't mean it doesn't offer stuff. Like Strelac says much of it is script related.

Voice wise, the Native American Voices will be a great choice for battle map & campaign map Indians, while campaign map wise it would work for Kypchaks/Khitai/Mongols (I don't believe the Mongols have any campaign map voices).

The Culture system sadly does not work for us because it replaces the role of religion. While religion might not play the greatest of roles right now, we want to increase that importance, and maybe have it tied into ZORs/AORs.

Stone Forts naturally, though I don't know if it's still limited in Kingdoms (I heard SS had problems with implementing it in some way).

Any plans to bring back the old MTW I rebellions?

It's much missed, as it can totally change a game.

I agree, and I think this is what we're most interested in investigating. You can divide a campaign into three portions: Rise, Empire, and Imperial. Really only in the rise can you risk losing a campaign. Once you reach Empire or Imperial status you are pretty much indestructible.

[Normanknight47]

wow great Ahiga btw can you elaborate more on this rise empire imperial?

[Ahiga]

They were phrases I cooked up when we were discussing lightly some ideas for the future. I felt you could cut a campaign played in RTW or MTWII to three sections. Essentially there's three stages or periods of a player's campaign, representing various factors of how their campaign will play, the challenge, the objectives, and so on: Kingdom Period, Empire Period, and Imperial Period. It's the Empire and Imperial Period which we need to focus on causing problems in, and the Kingdom period we should avoid causing a lot of problems in. There are also some factions which should have more Internal problems than others due to historical reasons primarily.

I felt like EB and Caius' The Crusades had some of the most challenging but rewarding "Kingdom Periods", where pacifying North Africa as Carthage felt like my own personal Vietnam. The wish is to keep that challenge throughout a campaign.

Kingdom Period
Most factions start off in this period. You don't have a lot of provinces, you are pretty poor, you're facing more powerful neighbors. Unless you blitz, it will take some time to rise. This is the only period that a player really can be threatened with defeat in most mods in my opinion.

Empire Period
A few factions start off here - The Egyptians, Seljuks and the Romans namely. You're rich, you have an empire, but you are (at least historically) facing far more internal problems. This is the point where a player has reached a level of invulnerability - Any attack by an enemy will be easily shrugged off and dealt with. Maybe the only case of defeat is if the player is dogpiled by all their neighbors.

Imperial Period
This is when you are without a doubt not going to be destroyed. This is the part most people quit at, and the most challenging area to make into a challenge. This is when you've got a massive empire, likely already won the short campaign, and have no threat whatsoever.

What we need or have to do is use a combination of EDU (Unit stats), EDB (building stats) and scripts to develop greater challenges in the Empire and Imperial Period. I'm not the resident script expert, Miraj/Grandviz/Kinniken are, but my own wish is that the greater the status of your faction the greater the fall should be. What can be cooked up in the future relies on what can be scripted within the confines of the engine, but I think we have a lot to work with. The Baron's alliance for instance, if it can be set to effect any faction the player is, would allow for a very aggressive shadow faction.

2.0 in general would be more with the brain and nerves of BC than the muscles and flesh, bringing it's interior depth up to par with it's exterior's quality.

[HammeroftheGreeks]

Sounds very interesting.

The three period analogy is spot-on.

I don't think I've ever managed to finish a game, as I get midway through the empire stage and I just get bored.

If you had the danger, for example, of a struggle for succession when your ruler dies then at least you will know that you could still have a real battle on your hands.

[Cyrus the Virus]

(I don't believe the Mongols have any campaign map voices).

I think Kypchaks uses them? Or maybe you mean partially or something.

[Miltiades the Younger]

dead on!
would be nice to see if you could fix something like that

[anaztazioch]

The Empire and Imperial ones doesnt sound too atractive. More like "boring" wars with unbeatable enemies, some thing simmilar to custom battles IMO.
But i guess it depends on what are these "internal porblems" and Imperian roster/quests.

[The Noble Lord]

Very interesting. And sounds like its gonna provide us with
lots of hours of happy playing.

And of course boiling oil,what's very useful

Very very useful. Not to those that are covered in boiling oil though.



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