ehem; the DNA internet. [don’t bite me lols]

[Amorphos]

please feel free to fully rip this one to shreds [i am sure you will anyway], i just want to get down to the nitty gritty of what is the truth in all this stuff. what is the real science?

there is a program on TV [sky channel 211] called ‘question everything’ [we will indeed], on it there are a number of people from the likes of david icke to some fringe ‘scientists’ who claim that our DNA has a language and our language is taken directly from it, it also acts like a radio receiver transmitter which collects and distributes information. this it is said can be likened to a DNA internet!

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/russian_dna.htm

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../15/01569.html

is this all baloney or is there some truth that is being taken out of context?

now onto the quantum level.

taken from a critical assessment debunking the book ‘the god code’.

“There is exciting new evidence suggesting that the 90% “junk DNA” in our cells actually has grammatical structure and so may well be a language of some sort”

here’s the full article...
http://www.energygrid.com/science/20...p-godcode.html


here’s the baloney

“To justify this revolutionary claim, Braden appeals to numerology: he states that because the base molecules in our DNA — the language codes of thymine, adenine, cytosine and guanine — are made up of the elements hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon, with respective “atomic masses” 1, 5, 6 and 3 [these are wrong], they actually correspond with the 1st, 5th, 6th and 3rd letters of the Hebrew Alphabet. Therefore, they spell YH VG which means “God/Eternal… Within the Body”. Braden is blown away by this… although the audience seems less sure of the connection or have been bamboozled by his pseudoscience build up.”

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perhaps the numbers are in some sense correct, in base 10 [why use that particular base?] anything bigger than 10 can be divided into 10’s and units etc, so making 14 = 1 + 4 = 5 is like saying that 1 whole 10 + 4 tenths is equivalent to 5 parts, the thing being that each part can have as few or many sub-categories as we choose. the ‘10’ has 10 sub-integers where the 4 has none, but both may be collected into 5 boxes/parts.

the question then is; why use this calculation? it doesn’t represent the actual positions of the chemicals [ 1, 14, 16 and 12] on the periodic table. secondly that there are many equations which by using this method would give other elements have the same number.
our next obstacle is the linguistics; how exactly can we attribute a sound structure to a number? what if any known language matches our DNA sequence.

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Q in short then, what kind of real language does DNA have, can it communicate, and in what way. what is the real science?

[dwringer]

Uh, this sounds like it's based on some advanced concepts in genetics and quantum physics, but it left any connection it had with reality long, long ago... once you introduce cabalistic numerology into real science you open the door to a laundry list of delusions and lose sight of any valid point that once existed ;p

Edit: but yeah, I think DNA is a "language", but so is chemistry as a whole. As for what the "real science" is, it's the kind that is still reserving judgment on how exactly DNA works. But don't think it hasn't tried, we're spending billions as a species to decipher these mysteries.

Edit 2: And to a very real extent, we do know how it works...

Edit 3: It's almost an insult to linguistics to think that a "real language" could somehow be embedded in DNA. On the other hand, the structures in our minds by which we learn and develop language are obviously influenced by DNA, and it's up in the air as to how much this influence means.

Edit 4 [ok I should have put more time into the original posting ]: The real language of DNA consists of five different "bases", though 2 are very similar and only 4 bases appear in any single type of DNA. Beyond this language is the language of chemistry by which these bases interact. Beyond even this is the subatomic world; electrons being shared between different molecules, electrons moving around a single molecule, their positions, etc.

Talking about the atomic masses of DNA's constituent parts is largely missing the point of how DNA operates.

[ajm317]

The scientists in question don't appear to have published their work in any scientific journal, not in English anyway (and if this were actually important, it would be in English.)

I'm kind of at a loss as to how DNA could transmit any kind of a signal between, say, humans, especially without it being measurable by science. The link suggests lasers...or something, but I think it's pretty obvious we're not all emitting laser beams to each other. Even if we were humans aren't particularly transparent, so I doubt it would be particularly effective.

I would say it's new age garbage. I'm surprised we weren't told to amplify the signals with crystals or something.

[dwringer]

LOL, the only way that it's even conceivable DNA could "transmit information" would be on some subatomic level through some kind of quantum entanglement or something [not sure if that's the right term for it], but we don't have the means to measure such things, not to mention any reason to believe that it is so

Sounds like new age garbage indeed

[Amorphos]

it is new age garbage, yet they go on TV and claim to be scientists and have backing of the scientific community! [links to scientology i reckon] i can’t see how they can do that without finding holes in science they can misrepresent, so here is your chance to debunk that which millions [probably] seam to be impressed by. once i got good in depth reports i’ll go to icke’s website and challenge them!

dwringer

It’s almost an insult to linguistics to think that a “real language” could somehow be embedded in DNA.

agreed.

On the other hand, the structures in our minds by which we learn and develop language are obviously influenced by DNA, and it’s up in the air as to how much this influence means.

equally the imaginitional structures in our minds are purely holistic and language is as much based on objects and other environmental factors.

... Beyond even this is the subatomic world; electrons being shared between different molecules, electrons moving around a single molecule, their positions, etc.

and beyond that, electrons exist after collapsing the wave function of possibility, thus before an observation is made the quantum world is that of 'frequencies' [the electrons have no position]. now in our minds we can immediately equate this as analogous to radio transmission and receiving, i think this is where the concept needs a bit of looking into, as i doubt if this equates to such communication ~ or could it?

an interesting article going over the basics of this
http://www.energygrid.com/science/20...uantummap.html

Talking about the atomic masses of DNA’s constituent parts is largely missing the point of how DNA operates.

indeed, and how is that? ...as frequencies or as chemicals? edit; i presume actually the net result is the same.

[dwringer]

Actually my contention would be more along the lines that the probability function only collapses into electrons the way it does because of consciousness itself, so the position of electrons in a molecule of DNA may not be random at all, just far beyond our comprehension.

That's a wild leap beyond science, though

EDIT:

indeed, and how is that? ...as frequencies or as chemicals? edit; i presume actually the net result is the same.

There all I meant was as far as the manufacture/processing of proteins, etc by the way they fold and intermingle with DNA structures

[Amorphos]

Actually my contention would be more along the lines that the probability function only collapses into electrons the way it does because of consciousness itself, so the position of electrons in a molecule of DNA may not be random at all, just far beyond our comprehension.

That’s a wild leap beyond science, though

makes a lot of sense i think! consciousness itself may be mechanical that it has a physical effect when observing, perhaps acting as a small force [electro-magnetic] or something. hence there are only mechanical observations and these change things. still we could contrarily say that the static or original state [if you will] is only the set of frequencies, and electrons/quantum particles dont exist as such. :hmmm:

There all I meant was as far as the manufacture/processing of proteins, etc by the way they fold and intermingle with DNA structures

ah i see. i think their answer is that although there is as you say a set chemical mechanisms, somewhere in the junk DNA is a language. though i don’t get how DNA can be changed by language or any other way apart from chemical processes, i presume that these processes are said to be directed by frequencies. i though DNA was hardcoded, so how can non chemical influences do anything to them?

[Ummagumma]

Don't bite? I thought this was some form of baiting tactic...
Coming later on the random numerology channel: ET Corn Gods.

[Ummon]

Well, when you see "DNA" and "hidden language" in the same sentence, just like when you see "DNA", "hologram" and "solitons" you can safely assume it is junk.

Obviously, like all heuristic, it isn't 100% safe. I'd say 99.9999% though.

[rathelios]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=123919

Apparently if you stick the Reiki crystals where the sun don't shine it helps to amplify the laser beams and one is then able to produce a continuous stream of bs. These beams bounce off Venusian marsh gasses enabling one to achieve a better chakra through contemplation of tantrism of the left hand path.

[Amorphos]

yeah ok. thing is all that doesn’t stop them going on about it, writing book after book and being successful. you got to take the science apart without just saying it is bull, if there is any science about DNA transmitting frequencies etc, i need to be able to say why it isn’t what they think it is.

Well, when you see “DNA” and “hidden language” in the same sentence, just like when you see “DNA”, “hologram” and “solitons” you can safely assume it is junk.

i did think that believe it or not, but also that they sit there in full belief of what they are saying, in fact i only need to see those quirky smiles they do, by which they think they have seen the light to know its gibberish.

ok i’ll give up and let them and millions think they know something we don’t. :hmmm:

[ajm317]

I'm sorry. I made a mistake. After re-reading the link, the DNA does not communicate by lasers.

It makes tiny wormholes.

Magnetized ones in fact!

The Russian scientists also found out that our DNA can cause disturbing patterns in a vacuum, thus producing magnetized wormholes! Wormholes are the microscopic equivalents of the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges in the vicinity of black holes (left by burned-out stars).

Physicists aren't even sure how to create wormholes in general, much less how to create them with DNA. Taking this seriously enough to discuss it for a brief, brief, moment, no plausible mechanism is given for the wormhole creation, and no experimental evidence for the wormholes creation is given.

I'm sorry, that's not fair. They talked about laser interference patterns, or something.

Of course claiming that DNA creates wormholes is quite an amazing claim. I of course decided to look up any peer reviewed articles this fellow might have written on the subject.

This is what I found (or rather didn't find.)



So I did a Google search for the guy. The Google Scholar search turned up nothing (in English anyway).

I found what I THINK is a longer version of one of the above links here:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/...cience/id/4161

Here's some gems:

To come back to the DNA: It apparently is also an organic superconductor that can work at normal body temperature.

No. No it is not. This is a lie.

As one recently learned, all superconductors are able to store light and thus information.

No, no they can not.

There is another phenomenon linked to DNA and wormholes. Normally, these super small wormholes are highly unstable and are maintained only for the tiniest fractions of a second. Under certain conditions (read about it in the Fosar/Bludorf book above) stable wormholes can organize themselves which then form distinctive vacuum domains in which, for example, gravity can transform into electricity. Vacuum domains are self-radiant balls of ionized gas that contain considerable amounts of energy.

This part? This part isn't even intelligible. It's gobbledygook. Someone took a bunch of science words, threw them together, and hoped everyone would nod their heads and agree.

[Amorphos]

thanks ajm

i didn’t read about the wormholes thing, i went more by the idea of frequencies that communicate. its funny that these guys also believe in a grand conspiracy where we are being ‘blinkered’, yet i would see all this stuff as doing exactly that.


thanks for the science though at least i have some ammunition.

so can we clear this all up by saying:

1. DNA works purely on the macroscopic scale, it changes chemically only.

2. it does not have a language anything like normal language.

3. what ‘language’ it has, does not communicate with exterior elements {?}.

4. DNA cannot be changed by communicating with it.

5. its ‘frequencies’ do not entangle on a quantum level, with that of its surroundings.

6. if it does, that does not mean it changes by that communication.

thanks for researching!

[dwringer]

3. what ‘language’ it has, does not communicate with exterior elements {?}.

4. DNA cannot be changed by communicating with it.

Well... other than the above two points I agree... but as for 3) by exterior you mean outside the body of the host animal right? Because DNA basically communicates with the body through gene expression, and for number 4) you might use a little bit of qualification.. DNA can be and is changed by a lot of things, but the general consensus is, not by any directed process that could entail a form of communication.

[Amorphos]

dwringer

by exterior you mean outside the body of the host animal right? Because DNA basically communicates with the body through gene expression,

what i was thinking is that DNA presumably is changed by environmental factors, but that those are not linguistic in any sense.

not by any directed process that could entail a form of communication.

interaction of chemicals may be considered a language in someways, after all that is what the brain does. at least that is the kind of thing i expect to hear when i challenge them.

i wonder if it even worth me bothering ~ perhaps that is how they get away with it, gets my goat a bit to see them getting away with it.

thanks