Trust

[HopliteElite]

Why is it that people who are willing and able to trust others are considered "healthy" while people who are unable or unwilling to trust others are considered to have a disorder of sorts? What is it in humanity that makes us believe that we should trust one another and if you don't or can't, you must have a problem? Most will agree that humans are selfish creatures, existing only to serve ourselves, even if this self-serving drive leads us to acts of benevolence.

So why should we trust one another? Why are those who cannot or will not called paranoid and considered odd or mentally unhealthy? It seems to me that the ones who refuse to trust others are the ones who are truly resilient and strong. Trust makes you vulnerable to the machinations of others, so why, in any way, shape, or form is it considered a positive? Walking into any relationship, be it friendly, professional or intimate, with trust for the other person, is like walking into battle with no armor; you are just asking to be destroyed.

[Chaigidel]

because the social network is what improves our survival and survivability rather than our individual prowess

I have the same problem I cannot trust anyone, for any reason--- but I recognize it as determintal to my social network; I dont think it makes me particularly resilient or strong to never trust but alas it is me and my experience.

I think trust should be held high and valued by those that are able; and the reason its viewed as unhealthy to not be able to trust is because it is unhealthy.

[HopliteElite]

I dont think it makes me particularly resilient or strong to never trust but alas it is me and my experience.

By definition, you are more resilient and strong if you are like that because you can enter into the same situations as people who do trust, should you choose to, but you do so with your eyes open to the treachery that may be waiting around the corner. This wariness is a strength, not a weakness, or at least it should be viewed as a strength.

[Chaigidel]

It is only because I was involved with the wrong kind of people for a long time; it has damaged my ability to form relationships with trustworthy and worthwhile people; which is not beneficial to me.

I do not call it strength or weakness; it is what it is

[rathelios]

It's a dilemma. Trust everyone and you'll get screwed. Trust no one and you'll never be disappointed but you'll die lonely and afraid. Trust intermittently and randomly based on emotional whims and no clear guiding logical principles and you'll be... human.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Trust is integral to society. You trust your bank with your money. You trust your shopkeeper to not keep mouldy stock. Humans as a species have only progressed because of mutual trust and society (in whatever form it has taken over the years), because trust is an evolutionary instinct that we have from birth. Without it, on a macro scale society can't function leading to, pretty much, the end of humanity, and on a micro scale people can't live their lives in comfort.

[ComnenusTheOne]

Most will agree that humans are selfish creatures, existing only to serve ourselves, even if this self-serving drive leads us to acts of benevolence.

Thats why we should stop being selifsh.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Motive is as important if not more so than consequence, that's why.

[IAmTheWarchief]

Humans as a species have only progressed because of mutual trust and society

Yeah, but communism doesn't work because of a lack of trust. could that mean that communism asks for too much trust out of the society?

EDIT: Not so much a lack of trust, but social conscience and such things. You get the point

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Yeah, but communism doesn't work because of a lack of trust. could that mean that communism asks for too much trust out of the society?

EDIT: Not so much a lack of trust, but social conscience and such things. You get the point

Communism is perfect in evolutionary terms. A society that takes little, gives much, causes little to no harm on other societies/people? That is probably the epitome of what we have evolved to become. In theory, that is. Practically, communism on the micro scale is too hard to live by.

[ComnenusTheOne]

Communism is perfect in evolutionary terms. A society that takes little, gives much, causes little to no harm on other societies/people? That is probably the epitome of what we have evolved to become. In theory, that is. Practically, communism on the micro scale is too hard to live by.

Let me guess. You are American.

Communism is hard to work because humans are just literate animals and cant understand difficult messages of communism, it needs a higher level intelligence to be accepted. And mankind is simply too primitive for that, and capitalism just stimulates your most animal instincts, so its easy to take over the ideals of communism.

[Maverick]

Why is it that people who are willing and able to trust others are considered "healthy" while people who are unable or unwilling to trust others are considered to have a disorder of sorts? What is it in humanity that makes us believe that we should trust one another and if you don't or can't, you must have a problem? Most will agree that humans are selfish creatures, existing only to serve ourselves, even if this self-serving drive leads us to acts of benevolence.

So why should we trust one another? Why are those who cannot or will not called paranoid and considered odd or mentally unhealthy? It seems to me that the ones who refuse to trust others are the ones who are truly resilient and strong. Trust makes you vulnerable to the machinations of others, so why, in any way, shape, or form is it considered a positive? Walking into any relationship, be it friendly, professional or intimate, with trust for the other person, is like walking into battle with no armor; you are just asking to be destroyed.

I think you answered your own question. I trust you and you trust me because the illusion of mutual trust is self-serving for both of us. It's part of our dual natural desires for safety and happiness. You can't ever be entirely safe and entirely happy since as you said trust makes us vulnerable. However, our mutual dependence and trust in one another makes us the alpha-predators on Earth and so overall trust is beneficial.

Trust is like going into battle, you are secure from your numerous enemies and vulnerable to a smaller number of comrades. So in theory it's advantageous and a healthy trade-off for most people to trust but don't tell that to someone who has been seriously ed over by someone they trust because there's no worse feeling.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Hah! No, I'm not American. And, psst, Communism needs the nameless, faceless, unintelligent masses to work, not the intelligent. The intelligent realise they can use the masses for their own gain. The masses do what their bosses tell them.

[Kritias]

Having trust issues does not guarantee de facto some mental problem. On the contrary, a person that doesn't trust easily - or can't trust easily - is to my understanding perfectly sane. That's because you never cannot tell the motive behind someone's action unless he has proven to be genuinely friendly towards you.

You trust your bank with your money. You trust your shopkeeper to not keep mouldy stock.

Trust in these cases is based on the belief that the bank will not just steal your money due to the existence of legislation for the bank's misuse of your money and because the shopkeeper will not keep mouldy stock if he doesn't want the health inspecting agency to impose him a fine or close him down! However, do you trust the guy you just met with your money? Or do you take food from a guy in the street?

The question of some mental disorder comes about when a person cannot trust without a logic reason. Par example, imagine you not being able to trust your parents. When the person is not able to trust at all, and above that not being able to trust other persons where trust should be unquestionable, then it is considered a mental disorder.