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    Default Mexican nationals in the US not to be executed, says the UN World Court

    The US has been advised not to execute five Mexican nationals on death row by the International Court of Justice.

    The ICJ - the UN's highest court - had previously ruled that the men had been denied the right to help from their consulate after their arrests.

    A 2005 ruling by President George W Bush that the cases should be reviewed was overturned by the US Supreme Court. But the Hague-based court told the US it should not execute the men before it made its final judgement.

    In a majority ruling, the ICJ said the US should "take all measures necessary to ensure (they) are not executed pending judgment... unless and until these five Mexican nationals receive review and reconsideration (of their sentences)".

    Mexico welcomed the ruling.

    Jorge Lomonaco Tonda, representing Mexico at the court, said: "The Mexican government is satisfied with the ruling of the court... we have full confidence that the ruling will be applied."

    Bush overruled

    The five are among 51 Mexicans on death row in the US who were not told after arrest that they were entitled to assistance from Mexican consulates - in violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention.

    All five are currently on death row in Texas.

    A general view of the International Court of Justice in The Hague, file pic from February 2008
    Set up in 1946, the ICJ is the highest United Nations court

    One of them, 33-year-old Jose Medellin, is scheduled for execution in less than three weeks for his part in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls in 1993.

    A statement issued by the office of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbot said it considered the law in Medellin's case to be "clear".

    "Texas is bound not by the World Court, but by the US Supreme Court, which reviewed this matter and determined that the convicted murderer's execution shall proceed," the statement said.

    "Today's development in a foreign tribunal comes just months after this nation's highest court plainly rejected both Medellin's legal claims - and the World Court's earlier attempts to bind our justice system."

    In a ruling that set Mr Bush at loggerheads with his home state, the president had ordered Texas to comply with an ICJ ruling made in 2004 that all the convicted men should get new hearings.

    However, the US Supreme Court justices decided 6-3 that he had overstepped his authority.

    After the executions were cleared to proceed in the US, Mexico went back to the world court last month to stop the sentences from being carried out.

    The ICJ is the highest United Nations court. Set up in 1946, it offers advisory opinions to international disputes brought to it by member states.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7510073.stm

    Is America totally independent of the UN? Does the World Court have no right to interfere?

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    They can go themselves. They have zero authority. The Supreme Court has ruled as much. Not only that, they have also ruled that states are not required to carry out any treaties signed by the federal government. So Texas, on behalf of every freedom loving American, can and should rightfully tell the "world court" to right off.

    We will take care of the people that raped, tortured, and murdered two teenagers according to our laws and Constitution. There is one Supreme Court that we have chosen to vest power in through the Constitution. And the so called "world court" certainly aint it.

    It's ironic that George W Bush and the World Court have found themselves in agreement on this. But, thankfully, Texas can tell them both to take a hike and have a nice day.

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    No one tells Texas what to do.

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    Good. The International Court of Justice should override all others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    No one tells Texas what to do.
    oh yes, big bad texas
    y'know, no one besides the federal gov't


    but I do agree that national sovereignty should take place over what a UN court said
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    treaty is behind county and city charter in the heirarchy of US law. So the world court go itelf.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    treaty is behind county and city charter in the heirarchy of US law. So the world court go itelf.
    Bingo, the UN World Court is not "the supreme law of the land" in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexille View Post
    The more you hear about the UN the more you wonder why it even exists, is it really THAT essential that we put a bunch of terrible diplomats and politicians together so they can ultimatly do nothing?
    That is an ill-informed statement, see Sidmen's post above. For all it's useless crap and meddling, the UN does still serve a purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    treaty is behind county and city charter in the heirarchy of US law. So the world court go itelf.
    That may be true, but being a signatory to something then just ignoring it isn't really a good look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Erchamion View Post
    This makes me angry. Since when does the UN have the right to dictate American domestic policy? How dare they tell us who we can execute and who we can't! This is my country, and it doesn't belong to the UN.

    The UN has degenerated to an impotent bunch of European bleeding heart leftists who take every opportunity possible to whine about America and Israel. I think we should get out of the UN. The sooner, the better. It's an outright threat to our sovereignty and freedom.
    I believe the issue is that the US has signed a treaty (the Vienna Convention, whatever the hell that might be, something to do with consular access for foreign citizens) which it is violating. So, for instance, should a foreign country arrest some American citizens and not give them access to the US Embassy, complaints from America would be hypocritical. You can't expect to have it both ways. It's a matter of principle; the actual criminals and their crimes and trials in this case I doubt anyone gives a about.

    Exactly right! Nor any other state in the Union, for that matter!
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    Last edited by Valus; July 18, 2008 at 08:39 AM. Reason: double post

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    This shouldnt even be a story since ICJ has no say in the manner.

    Good. The International Court of Justice should override all others.
    Sure as soon as the ICJ flag is planted in Washington ahead of the ICJ army....

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Sure as soon as the ICJ flag is planted in Washington ahead of the ICJ army....
    I would serve in that army. That would be something to believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    I would serve in that army. That would be something to believe in.
    You would sit around all day doing nothing. Can't act against Sudan and Zimbabwe cause China will veto it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    If I was the President I would seriously consider leaving the UN or at least tell the UN to stay out of US matters once and for all. Its our country and we are gonna do what we want, not what some crazy politicians from Europe want.
    The court isn't "European", it's part of the UN, which stands for United Nations, as in an organization representing the world.

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    Shows how worthless the U.N they can go themselves and save some children in africa instead of trying to save rapists and murderers. Good for Texas.
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    I've fallen in love with Texas as a State, yes the "world court" can go itself, as can the president for even considering what he did
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    They have no right to interfere. These people came to our country and commited crimes. It makes sense to me that they should be tried by our laws, not Mexico's. It isn't Mexico's responsobility to punish criminals for crimes commited in the US regardless of citizenship. If the crimes occur on US soil, against US citizens, it should be dealt with in American courts and these criminals exectued here.

    (this isn't an international affair, the only countries that should have any say in the matter are the US and Mexico, and even then Mexico's say is limited)

    I say execute them anyway. What's the UN gonna do?

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    ^^^^'

    bunch of damn rednecks....

    JUST KIDDING!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    ^^^^'

    bunch of damn rednecks....

    JUST KIDDING!
    Dont make us get our dogs, a keg of beer and chase after you in our pickup armed with shotguns....heehaw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Dont make us get our dogs, a keg of beer and chase after you in our pickup armed with shotguns....heehaw!
    don't, let's be friend, i am inbred too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    don't, let's be friend, i am inbred too.
    Sure as a token of our friendship you can marry my sister now that we are divorced, she's only had 8 kids and still has 3 good teeth left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Sure as a token of our friendship you can marry my sister now that we are divorced, she's only had 8 kids and still has 3 good teeth left.
    3 good teeth, that's a steal...

    Anyway, the ICJ already lost in the Supreme Court badly, don't know what its trying to do now.
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    This makes me angry. Since when does the UN have the right to dictate American domestic policy? How dare they tell us who we can execute and who we can't! This is my country, and it doesn't belong to the UN.

    The UN has degenerated to an impotent bunch of European bleeding heart leftists who take every opportunity possible to whine about America and Israel. I think we should get out of the UN. The sooner, the better. It's an outright threat to our sovereignty and freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    No one tells Texas what to do.
    Exactly right! Nor any other state in the Union, for that matter!
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