Cheers and a jeer

**redlunatic** · July 16, 2008, 09:21 AM

First, I have to say that I love this MOD and it feels like 'through the looking glass' version of Clouds Across Europe.

Also, I just got into a Kingdom of Jerusalem Campaign and what do I see? General pics of characters from Kingdom of Heaven. Outstanding!

Now for the jeers - the King from England that was supposed to come on a crusade never came! Was it because I did a good job of securing Dumyat through the coast of Aleppo and he never bothered?

Also, Innocent III launched a crusade and the diverted crusader rebels went to Constantinople, but they are led by Baldwin I. I could be wrong, but Baldwin is currently my King as well... were there two?

**Thema'zandaar** · July 16, 2008, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by redlunatic

Also, Innocent III launched a crusade and the diverted crusader rebels went to Constantinople, but they are led by Baldwin I. I could be wrong, but Baldwin is currently my King as well... were there two?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
Oh boy, what a blooper!

Spawned characters are named in a "fixed" way, not a "generic" way. Due to this, it has become possible for Baldwin and his evil twin to actually...exist!

**Aurion** · July 17, 2008, 07:37 AM

Check the numbers, please.

The King Baldwin KoJ starts off with is Baldwin IV (The Leper). It's a flaw in the game engine to lack regnal numbers, they were present in M:TW.

The "Crusader Rebels" represent the 4th Crusade which was diverted to Constantinople by the Venetians.

**redlunatic** · July 17, 2008, 01:17 PM

Which numbers am I supposed to check?

Baldwin - The Kingdom of Heaven card one in Jerusalem

Baldwin I - General of one of the two Greek rebel stacks

Also, anyone know why King Richard I (I think) didn't come to the Holy Lands? Again, whichever King was supposed to come, certainly didn't.

Is it only when I lose one of the lands (or more) where I request papal crusade assistance, or is it automatic?

That full stack army would have had me take all of Egypt/Syria in no time!

**reavertm** · July 17, 2008, 08:43 PM

The 'crusade' scripts are activated (unfortunately) only when you loose some important settlements like Jerusalem, Acre, Tyre, Tripoli (I could miss/add something). Why unfortunately? The game would be more interesting when crusade script was activated anyway.
And it would be more interesting if playing as KOJ it would be harder to maintain peace with Ayyubids (manually triggering offensive Ayyubids behaviour at the end of XII-th century with the script?). The crusade script woulde be really useful then.
I would aim for something similar to Mongol invasion on Kwarezm Shah and that would make KOJ campaign more challenging (actually their campaign is way too easy) - as it's easy to maintain peace with Ayyubids for ~100 years, and when they attack eventually - they have no chance (against human player that is).
Actually I haven't seen any crusade neither while playing KOJ - I guess in my next game I'll do partially as in history - I'll attack Ayyubids, lift them besieging Kerak, then loose completely in the field (yeah, battle of Hattin), I'll give them Jerusalem, then I should plague Acre and eventually give (sell) them all settlements securing Cyprus first (buying Nicosia from ERE and capturing Famagusta) - this should trigger some interesting crusades...