Why this 2 Guilds never display their short description (solved)

[Userpro]

Hi @ all mini- and maximodders,

My question: Someone know why for the following two type of guilds, all the thieves guilds and all explorers guilds never apear their short description present in the export_buildings.txt. Neither in the german and english version?
:hmmm:

[Userpro]

[Gigantus]

The stuff underneath I wrote before it clicked with me what you were actually asking. Haven't noticed that myself because: when does the short description normally display? I remember reading the long description in-game but haven't really paid attention enough to notice the short version.



This is what my file says:

{thieves_guild}	thieves_guild
{thieves_guild_desc}	DO NOT TRANSLATE
{thieves_guild_desc_short}	DO NOT TRANSLATE
{thieves_guild_northern_european}	Thieves' Guild
{thieves_guild_northern_european_desc}
A Thieves’ Guild house is more of a training centre devoted to the practice of security and intelligence rather than a criminal collective. However, it is easy to understand as to why there is some confusion on the matter. The guild house offers a way out to those born to a life of petty crime, by honing their skills so that they may serve the nobility legitimately, spying for the throne abroad.
{thieves_guild_northern_european_desc_short}
A Thieves' Guild house improves the quality of spies hired in the same settlement.

The 'DO NOT TRANSLATE' lines would be displayed if a faction\culture hasn't got a specific entry like the above northern_european culture.

[Userpro]

Hi gigantus,
for example when you give a look into the other guilds in the building browser descriptions while you play, they all will show their short description text which is written in the export_buildings.txt. But the following do not.

xxx = stand for all the cultures:

{explorers_guild_ xxx _desc_short}
{thieves_guild_ xxx _desc_short}
{m_explorers_guild_ xxx _desc_short}
{m_thieves_guild_ xxx _desc_short}
{gm_explorers_guild_ xxx _desc_short}
{gm_thieves_guild_ xxx _desc_short}

[Userpro]

[Userpro]

Or maybe i'm the only one with this issue???:hmmm:

[Gigantus]

I can't follow up on my file above, am away on holidays. But it just struck me that the actual description doesn't seem to be on the same line as the part in brackets. Could you check on that and report back?

[Userpro]

That was my first thought too. So i changed them and delete the "export_buildings.txt.strings.bin" to regenarate it. But the issue is still there. I'm sure, its a little bit more complicated.
I know that it's not a great bug, but its drivin me crazy ... :hmmm:


Hey, i wish you a good holiday

[Gigantus]

I am sure it must have something to do with the typing. In my experience you do not have to delete the bin file to regenerate it. It is enough for the txt file to be 'younger'.
The rule for the display of text is a bit misty but I believe you can start typing the description right after the parenthesis without leaving a space, you can have a tab as well. Anything else will not display I believe. So give it one more try: delete the space between the parenthesis and the typing. Check for typos between the parenthesises while you are at it: I once typed a bracket and it took two hours to find that error.

[Userpro]

No way gigantus. There are no syntax errors presents. I have made more than one research in the other "parents" sript+txt files, too, where these buildings are mentioned. Nothing suspicious was found... Maybe there are some configuration errors in the graphical window for those buildings...!?!:hmmm:

[Gigantus]

I just realized that my example above is in brackets and yours is in parenthesis. Can't remember where I got my example from.
Can you compare one of the guild entries that works with one that doesn't and copy it here?

[Userpro]

I just realized that my example above is in brackets and yours is in parenthesis. Can't remember where I got my example from.

Sorry, but i have not understand what you mean? Aren't their not the same?

Here the examples:

This entry are not shown-

{explorers_guild_southern_european_desc_short}Die Entdeckergilde bewirkt eine leichte Steigerung der Fortbewegungsgeschwindigkeit aller in der Siedlung ausgebildeten Einheiten.

and this works:

{assassins_guild_southern_european_desc_short}Die Attentätergilde stabilisiert Recht und Ordnung in der Region und verbessert die Qualität der vor Ort ausgebildeten Attentäter.

This is from my german version of MTW2.

[Gigantus]

Bracket = normale Klammer
Parenthesis = geschweifte Klammer

It should display, unless the spelling of "explorers_guild" is supposed to be "explorer_guild" (no plural S). But I doubt it. That (spelling of the guild) you could check in the EDB file.

[Userpro]

Bracket = normale Klammer
Parenthesis = geschweifte Klammer

The EDB says:

building guild_explorers_guild
{
levels explorers_guild m_explorers_guild gm_explorers_guild
{
explorers_guild city requires factions { northern_european, middle_eastern, eastern_european, greek, southern_european, }
.......and so on

[Gigantus]

I am out of ideas, sorry.

[Userpro]

Yes, i am too.

It seems to be more challenging than making a normal mod.
I think its not hardcoded. All the variables for those things are introduced by all the modificable and accessible files.

[Userpro]

Come on guys, some really good modder must to have an idea!?!

[Augustus Lucifer]

Well I don't know a ton about coding at this juncture, but I went into all the files and double-checked, namely:

export_buildings.txt
export_descr_buildings.txt
export_descr_building_enums.txt
export_descr_guilds.txt

and I didn't find any errors, obviously. Something I thought of though, is you said that the short description is used by the building browser. Well, in none of the above files do I see references being made to the text entries. I guess that the description for the regular is queried in the EDB to the EB. Is it possible though that the building browser is managed by a separate file entirely or something in the hard code?

After trying a good many things, I can't seem to get a "short description" for any building to come up. Mousing over the building shows no description at all, and right clicking brings up the detailed description. Could you explain how you're seeing short descriptions on the buildings that do work?

Cheers,
Augustus

[Userpro]

Ave, Augustus Lucifer. You are really bravely to come in here...
Welcome to my modestly "question of the year" thread.

though, is you said that the short description is used by the building browser. Well, in none of the above files do I see references being made to the text entries.

I've made the test to change the text and after that, the changes are shown in the building browser. (but needless to say, without the short descr.)!

After trying a good many things, I can't seem to get a "short description" for any building to come up. Mousing over the building shows no description at all, and right clicking brings up the detailed description. Could you explain how you're seeing short descriptions on the buildings that do work?

I mean the short description in building browser or rightclick in the city building menu! Have you no short description in there for example in the assassin guild? Which language version is your MTW2? :hmmm:

[Mythic_Commodore]

Yeah, in the English version the only place where the short description shows up is in the Construction Scroll - you know, where it lists the recently constructed buildings, but I see no problems - my short descriptions are working fine. It may be a problem unique to your localization.