"Winning First" trait

[Mithrane]

What is the trait name in the game system for the "Winning First" trait, so that I might use the cheat to remove it from my general? Yes, yes, I know... cheating bad. However, I'm simply sick of my intended chivalrous generals having a minimum of 1 dread to start because they won their first battle.

[Akimbo]

because they won their first battle.

I don't think that's why they get it...the trait represents that your general puts winning over chivalry.

I looked for the trait as well, but couldn't find it for some reason :-/ anyway the command would be like this:

[Select your general by left clicking and open console]

remove_trait this WinningFirst

[This assumes that's the correct trait name, but I'm not sure if it is]

[Vampo]

BattleDread is the 'Winning First' line of traits.

[Akimbo]

BattleDread is the 'Winning First' line of traits.

Ah nice one

[Dead Sun]

because they won their first battle.

Thts not true, it happens when you slaughter everyone rather than let them leave

[Dewy]

My dread gos down alot for all generals and with my king becuase i assassite the pope every turn lol my bishop has been in the top first for along time now its first for like 5 times :'( won't stop till he gets it. i think i'm at war with every christian faction other than HRE thats bad

[Hazzy101]

My dread gos down alot for all generals and with my king becuase i assassite the pope every turn lol my bishop has been in the top first for along time now its first for like 5 times :'( won't stop till he gets it. i think i'm at war with every christian faction other than HRE thats bad

Likewise I always assassinate the pope * 4 popes in 4 turns booyah* so I have never experienced this chivalry word you are talking about(tht was sarcastic btw)

[Ilmater]

As mentioned above, BattleDread governs the "winning first" line of traits. There are various triggers that cause BattleDread but I find the chief culprit for acquiring it usually to be this particular annoying trigger Pickingonweak:

Trigger battle3Dread_PickingOnWeak
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and WonBattle
and BattleOdds > 1.5
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 50
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 100

As you can see for any battle with odds higher than 1.5 in your favour and your attacking general won the battle and killed more than 50% of the enemy, you'll get "winning first". This tends to happen a lot for siege battles as it's near impossible to not kill more than half of the enemy if they camp themselves at the central plaza. This trigger is good if you wish to build a dread-centric character but absolutely jeopardises your efforts to build a chivalrous guy.

So if you're trying to build a chivalry-centric character, you'll have to somehow get the BattleChivalry line of traits (fair fighter) first, otherwise you'll probably find that your generals will get "winning first" quite easily. But of course you can just use the cheat to remove it or mod the trait file yourself like what I did.

[Akimbo]

Or go for full on dread anyway

[Stevcho the Serb]

Or go for full on dread anyway

Yeahh....

[Mithrane]

The reason I get this is, apparently, because of rebels, specifically at the beginning of the game, while I am still positioning armies/generals. Generals which have not yet got into fights come upon a stack of 3-5 junky rebels blocking their path to their chosen front. So, I take them out as I move through. Problem is, it is impossible to NOT kill >50% of a small stack of rebels at this stage, and with bodyguards, 1-2 spears, 1-2 archers, and 1-2 light infantry, the odds are always in my favor.

The triggers for this trait are exceptionally annoying. But, I'm not above using the cheat for it. Thank you for those who found the name for me.

As to the dread v chivalry thing.... I've posted at least 2 long and detailed posts as to my choices on that line. Don't feel like repeating them.