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    this thread could go in the arts (film), political mudpit, and political philosophy forums, but here it goes.

    I myself am a Christian and thought that the whole part on religion was a little shallow and it didn't phase me much, but the rest of the movie, whooa.


    Basically it said that 911 was set up by the government so that basically a new age of imperialism may begin. That the federal reserve controls all money flow and artificially creates inflation, making you take out loans, driving you into debt purposly, etc, etc, basically making you literally slaves...of the dollar. That the great depression was artificially created by the BIG banking companies by a process of loans and inflation (i don't remember the details) and that when the great depression hit, the big banking families had already withdrawn all of their money, and then bought out thousands of smaller banks. It also talked about how Rockefeller made 222 million dollars of WW1 (equal to 1.9 TRILLION in todays world) the Nazi airplanes ran on Rockefellers fuel in WWII (He sold 21 million dollars worth of fuel to the german company I.G. Farben). And how the Union Banking Corperation laundered millions to the Nazi cause, the VP and director was non other than Prescott Bush, that father of George H W Bush, and the grandfather George Bush, interesting, huh? George Bush and Hitler have more in common than you think. To usher in a NEW AGE OF GERMAN IMPERIALISM, Hitler burned down the Reichstag and balmed it on communist TERRORISTS. He then promply passed a homeland security act, which went completely against the german constitution, invaded poland and the rest is history. Well, according to the film, the 911 attacks were carried out by criminal elements working within the government, and directed by the CIA. And after destroying his own building, GW passed, guess what...A HOMELAND SECURITY ACT(patriot act), which basically lets the government do whatever they want. The most damning evidence that 911 was a controls flag mission besides the fact that most of the hijackers are still alive, and other...curious facts, is that pools of molten metal were found weeks, WEEKS after the attack (jet fuel burns at around 500 degrees F) even more..curious, is the fact that pools of molten metal were found beneeth tower 7, hmm:hmmm:. So your telling me, that a building collapsed because of debris, buuuut, it was burning at several thousand degrees. that= controled demolition.

    and the movie goes on, saying that the government plans on making everyone have an electronic identification card, and then they will eventually install little pill shaped chips in our arms that will allow you to buy, sell, basically everything you do will be linked to the chip. and if you refuse to comply...your chip is simply turned off and you are in a sense completely severed from society. Now, open a Bible if you have one, because I just had a little thought

    "The beast firced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, slave and free, to have a mark placed on their hands or their foreheads. No one could buy or sell without this mark, that is, the beast's name or the number that stands for the name." Revelation - 13;16

    The beast talked about is the second beast, or the false prophet. the first beast, the one that cursed God's name and his people, who will be given authority for 42 months over the entire world, is the anti-christ.

    Well, what do ya think?




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    Uh-oh.
    Brace yourselves......

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    yes, the storm that is peoples' opinions is now looming over the horizon




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    I think it's wild imaginings and paranoid delusions.

    Bush is gone this year anyways.

    Something else, the PATRIOT act doesn't let the government do anything it wants. The money and the guns however let it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing View Post
    I think it's wild imaginings and paranoid delusions.

    Bush is gone this year anyways.

    Something else, the PATRIOT act doesn't let the government do anything it wants. The money and the guns however let it
    under the patriot act, the government can monitor your every move, arrest you and detain you permanatly without a lawyer, AND 'legally' torcher you, IF they SUSPECT that you are a terrorist or involved with terrorists

    if you don't believe that then you are just ignorant (not specifically to you boeing, but to everyone)
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    Let us assume this all is real and proven by facts; but how does this relate to the bible? Because U.S.A would be authoritarian and totalitarian state it must be linked to what is said in the bible? Is U.S.A whole world? Is bible about Americans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragabash View Post
    Let us assume this all is real and proven by facts; but how does this relate to the bible? Because U.S.A would be authoritarian and totalitarian state it must be linked to what is said in the bible? Is U.S.A whole world? Is bible about Americans?
    no, the bible is not about americans, i think that the bible indirectly mentions america as a "spark" for the end times, because the situation the US is creating in the middle east, and in the rest of the world, follows that of what is fortold in Revelation ie wars and rumors of war. You tell me that you have not heard a rumor on the news or whatever that America might invade Iran, or Venezuala, or Sudan (George Bush actually propsed to the UN that Sudan should be invaded, and it's leader overthrown)




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    I read such rumors/possibilities almost each day on BBC news. But how this have to do with the bible?
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    i think it's dangerous to try to fit things into the chapter of revelation.
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    Especially since it was about the Roman Empire and not the US. Books cannot tell the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing View Post
    Especially since it was about the Roman Empire and not the US. Books cannot tell the future.
    ya, it's a prophecy, which would tend to be vague and easy to have different interpretations. I went to a church before and some people there were quite obsessed about trying to fit today's image into that chapter so they could draw the conclusion that the world is gonna end soon.

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    Otsman I would be very interested to know how you respond to the argument presented in Zeitgeist that many of the stories regarding your historical figures such as Jesus and Moses were plagiarized from earlier stories which were themselves probably myths. Such as those concerning Zoroaster and Gilgamesh.

    Is it not clear to you that the story of Jesus - while he himself may or may have existed - was a piece of Roman propaganda designed to help control people? We now this because all the bible stories have clearly been ripped off from much earlier stories.

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    zeitgeist is a pack of lies plain and simple with zero facts at its disposal

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