Super Cities

[Darth Ravenous]

I think this is a important part of my research as to the cities in middle-earth, I think that each faction should have a so called "Super City".

[The Count(er)]

explain to me the abilities of a super city as opposed to just giving it a super hero name

[Darth Ravenous]

Minas Tirith is a Super City. And so is Helms Deep. The reason is simple cities that far exceed the normal size and strength
of a city say like Edoras. Also the defenses are much stronger say like Barad-dur or Moria.

[The Sixth Wizard]

With super walls and a maxed out population? Yep. If a super city gets captured, the faction should suffer badly.

(In the case of the Elves, there are several super cities which are declining in population)

Kuh - kuh- kuh -

[Varjon]

Gondor: Minas Tirith
Rohan: Edoras
Dale: Dale
Eriador: Bree
Dwarves: Erebor
High Elves: Mithlond/Grey Havens
Silvan Elves: Caras Galadhon

Mordor: Barad-dûr
Isengard: Orthanc
Orcs of Misty Mts: Khazad-dûm/Moria
Harad: Umbar
Rhûn: They will probably have capital somewhere around sea of Rhûn but we don't yet got name for it.

[ccllnply]

What would Helm's Deep be Rohan's super city? The only people who lived in Helm's Deep permanetly were the garrison. And Helm's Deep was a fortress, not a city. Edoras, anyone?

As for the High Elves, should their super city not be Rivendell? I know Mithlond was important but I think Rivendell was far more important. And if I was Sauron, I think Mithlond would be the last place I'd want to take. I wouldn't want to stop the Elves leaving Middle-earth

[Varjon]

What would Helm's Deep be Rohan's super city? The only people who lived in Helm's Deep permanetly were the garrison. And Helm's Deep was a fortress, not a city. Edoras, anyone?

As for the High Elves, should their super city not be Rivendell? I know Mithlond was important but I think Rivendell was far more important. And if I was Sauron, I think Mithlond would be the last place I'd want to take. I wouldn't want to stop the Elves leaving Middle-earth

Well in Rivendell lived few hundreds of elves, but in Mithlond lived some thousands of elves. Rivendell actually wasn't so important place, it was home of knowledge and provided safe place for many creatures. Actually Sauron would have probably wanted to destroy Mithlond because he hated elves more than anything and was probably pissed off since they were able to escape to Valinor and live there happy life forever, Sauron couldn't because he was maia who had fallen to darkness. If I were Sauron I would have rather destroyed arther Mithlond than Rivendell. Thing which made Rivendell important was that Elrond lived there and he had Vilya.

Oh yeah, I agree with you that for Rohan it should be Edoras, I wrote that list in rush, now it's fixed.

[ccllnply]

Well in Rivendell lived few hundreds of elves, but in Mithlond lived some thousands of elves. Rivendell actually wasn't so important place, it was home of knowledge and provided safe place for many creatures. Actually Sauron would have probably wanted to destroy Mithlond because he hated elves more than anything and was probably pissed off since they were able to escape to Valinor and live there happy life forever, Sauron couldn't because he was maia who had fallen to darkness. If I were Sauron I would have rather destroyed arther Mithlond than Rivendell. Thing which made Rivendell important was that Elrond lived there and he had Vilya.

Ah, right I see. Then your right.

Oh yeah, I agree with you that for Rohan it should be Edoras, I wrote that list in rush, now it's fixed.

Yay me!

[Darth Ravenous]

Rohan is the capital and not a super city further more if you want to be like that then Minas Tirith and Barad-dur can't be Super cities because they are also fortresses and for the record in old time Osgiliath was the capital of gondor not minas tirith. I should have said super fortresses on my part but I was tired and cities was the first thing that came to mind.

[Nikos]

Rohan is the capital and not a super city further more if you want to be like that then Minas Tirith and Barad-dur can't be Super cities because they are also fortresses and for the record in old time Osgiliath was the capital of gondor not minas tirith. I should have said super fortresses on my part but I was tired and cities was the first thing that came to mind.

I disagree. Minas Tirith certainly was a city no mere fortress like the Hornburg. We can also count the Rammas Echor population as an "8th wall" of Minas Tirith.

[Varjon]

Sorry I misunderstood this thing... You ment with "super cities" strong fortresses, right?

[Eleril]

Actually I don't see the point of this so-called "super cities".When I look through that list I see only capitals.So the point of this is.......

Rohan is the capital and not a super city further more if you want to be like that then Minas Tirith and Barad-dur can't be Super cities because they are also fortresses and for the record in old time Osgiliath was the capital of gondor not minas tirith. I should have said super fortresses on my part but I was tired and cities was the first thing that came to mind.

Ok,now you've lost me.Rohan is the capital of.....what?And we know that Osgiliath was the chief city in Gondor but you can't make a capital out of ruins!So could you explain this one to the stupid old half-elven and with some punctuation please?

[Turtules]

Gotta be drunk or half-asleep...the first one I think.

[The Count(er)]

Actually I don't see the point of this so-called "super cities".When I look through that list I see only capitals.So the point of this is.......

I'd agree to that I really find this kind of pointless Capital cities are very big so they'll be generating alot and be pretty well upgraded so losing them would already cripple your economy and recruitment abilities

[Glorfindel]

Varjon? Bree is a "super" city?

a super village maybe

bree is the city to take...

[Varjon]

Varjon? Bree is a "super" city?

a super village maybe

bree is the city to take...

Can you think better place? Tharbad, Annúminas and Fornost were all ruined or abandoned and Bree was center of Eriador since it was in crossroad.

[Darth Ravenous]

Sorry I misunderstood this thing... You ment with "super cities" strong fortresses, right?

Yes and I was tired when I wrote this so sorry if people misundertood I was up for 48 hour due to personel reasons.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Yes and I was tired when I wrote this so sorry if people misundertood I was up for 48 hour due to personel reasons.

He was having a lot of _sex...

Anyways, , we don't need all factions to be equal. Some factions like Gondor and Isengard, will have a single city around which they revolve their economies, and other factions such as the tribal Rhun and the peaceful Eriador will have mediocre cities throughout their lands.

Someone close this thread dammit it has lived for TOO LONG! First however, answer me this. Is there a script which can downgrade walls? If, for example, I took Edoras, I'd like to exterminate the population beyond repair by crushing the walls...

[Nikos]

He was having a lot of _sex...

Anyways, , we don't need all factions to be equal. Some factions like Gondor and Isengard, will have a single city around which they revolve their economies, and other factions such as the tribal Rhun and the peaceful Eriador will have mediocre cities throughout their lands.

Someone close this thread dammit it has lived for TOO LONG! First however, answer me this. Is there a script which can downgrade walls? If, for example, I took Edoras, I'd like to exterminate the population beyond repair by crushing the walls...

Actually, Gondor had many strong cities like Pelargir, Dol Amroth, Linhir etc.. Not just Minas Tirith. I don't know how this will be represented in the game though.

[The Count(er)]

well you haven't been keeping track of the mod enough without adding every settlement we can find records of we'll have a pretty low region count