The dark matter

[Dracula]

I watched National Geographic. They say the dark matter is absolutely unknown...which makes is appropriate for TWC debate...
So, this is something that cannot be seen neither detected...however it is recognised to exist by the effect it has on the direction of the light,it interferes with it. It is believed the dark matter holds the substance of the Universe and all matter in it not to disintegrate...Absolutely intrigueing..because it is unmaterial and seems not to be exactly a power connected with the matter(protons etc). But for sure it manifests itself as power.

So more info ? Any suggestions what it is ?

[christof139]

It may be, so to speak, the opposite of visible matter. Negative matter, more or less, a balance force maybe. Same for dark energy, and matter = contained energy in one type of form.

Chris

[Dracula]

and matter = contained energy in one type of form.

Chris

But why does it have to be contained ? And what keeps it contained ? It is more likely the power of god.

[christof139]

Energy is contained in matter and is in fact matter as matter is energy, so the same may indeed apply to dark energy and matter. I don't think the 'power of Gog' or the 'power of Satan' has anything to do with 'dark' matter and energy.

Chris

[Dracula]

Energy is contained in matter and is in fact matter as matter is energy

To claim this you must be able to answer "how" ?

[christof139]

Read Einstein and other physicists and scientists. That's how.

Chris

[Dracula]

Read Einstein and other physicists and scientists. That's how.

Chris

And what keeps the energy in place not to desintegrate ?

[roy34543]

Energy=Mass times the speed of light squared is how. E=MC squared

[christof139]

It's called atomic an subatomic attraction (due to spin of particles) and chemical bonding.

Chris

[Syron]

It is believed the dark matter holds the substance of the Universe and all matter in it not to disintegrate...Absolutely intrigueing..because it is unmaterial and seems not to be exactly a power connected with the matter(protons etc). But for sure it manifests itself as power.

WTF?!

No, the point is it is thought to be matter that simply doesn't interract with EM waves.

Its primary form of interaction is via gravity. It is supposed that it has an intergral part in making galaxies look the way they are and in large scale structure in the universe.


Personally i'm not a big fan of the particle concept of dark matter though, i prefer MOND (MOdified Newtonian Dynamics) as tbh it is more likely that we understand dynamics less than some magical new particle.

[Dracula]

WTF?!

No, the point is it is thought to be matter that simply doesn't interract with EM waves.

Its primary form of interaction is via gravity. It is supposed that it has an intergral part in making galaxies look the way they are and in large scale structure in the universe.


Personally i'm not a big fan of the particle concept of dark matter though, i prefer MOND (MOdified Newtonian Dynamics) as tbh it is more likely that we understand dynamics less than some magical new particle.

They said it builds everything incl. on earth. yet it cannot be detected except through light interference method.

@chris :it is also the force that keeps the planets and stars,galaxies together. It is not atomic attraction since it acts on macro level too.

[Syron]

They said it builds everything incl. on earth.

Well that's bollocks for a start since evidence shows that if dark matter does exist it is at it's densest far beyond the milky ways disk (where we are).

yet it cannot be detected except through light interference method.

Gravitational lensing you mean?

@chris :it is also the force that keeps the planets and stars,galaxies together. It is not atomic attraction since it acts on macro level too.

What they mean is that the gravitational attraction caused by dark matter (which has mass) could help form the "mould" around which visible galaxies form. They are not talking about some magical force, it is simple gravity.

[Dracula]

Well that's bollocks for a start since evidence shows that if dark matter does exist it is at it's densest far beyond the milky ways disk (where we are).

It is absolutely not what they said. Explicitly said the dark matter builds ANY matter in the universe. Perhaps you must watch it.

What they mean is that the gravitational attraction caused by dark matter (which has mass) could help form the "mould" around which visible galaxies form. They are not talking about some magical force, it is simple gravity.

They have not linked it to gravitational attraction in any way. This is nonsense. The attraction of the gravity is well known and simple force,I'm sorry. The dark matter is indeed an unknown force since they acknowledge they know nothing about it and I was surprised to hear it.

I suggest you if you don't know anything about it too stop spamming.

[Sphere]

I think "Dark Matter" will go the the way of "Ether". It is this broad, poorly defined stuff that is used to explain things like the rate of expansion of the universe, because modern models don't match observations. Its exsistance has almost no experimental backing.

[Syron]

It is absolutely not what they said. Explicitly said the dark matter builds ANY matter in the universe. Perhaps you must watch it.

Dark Matter? I don't think so.

If i have the time i'll try and see this episode. No doubt what it means is completely different to what you are saying.

They have not linked it to gravitational attraction in any way. This is nonsense. The attraction of the gravity is well known and simple force,I'm sorry.

We are talking about Dark Matter right?

If so, it certainly does interract via gravity it simply can't be seen because it does not interract with EM waves. Well, if it exists at all.

The dark matter is indeed an unknown force since they acknowledge they know nothing about it and I was surprised to hear it.

Matter =/= "a force". Well, unless you consider Guage Bosons matter, but anyway dark matter wouldn't be.

And they don't know much about it because it doesn't interact with EM waves, only other masses.

I suggest you if you don't know anything about it too stop spamming.

I'm a physics student.

I suggest you take your own advice.......

I'm simply confused because you are not saying anything in scientific terms.

[Syron]

No, it's just confirmed you don't understand what science is.

[Dracula]

No, it's just confirmed you don't understand what science is.

If it speaks only to itself,I may freely pass it off.

[chris_uk_83]

Sorry to say this Dracula, but you do actually need some sort of scientific understanding in order to understand the answers to the questions you're asking. It seems to me that you're attempting to relate a scientific postulation to religion somehow and saying that because we don't know the precise mechanism how dark matter behaves it must be magical in some way.

It also appears that you've either seen a poorly put together documentary on the subject, or (and this is my guess) you've grossly misunderstood a half decent documentary on dark matter. I'd like to see the particular episode so I can find out for myself.

Everything Syron has said is completely correct I'm afraid and some further reading on your part is probably necessary.

And I do know what I'm talking about, I'm a Masters graduate in physics.

[Dracula]

Yeah I remember you well,you are too physicist.. Yet nothing can free the science from the obligation to be clear enough and to speak understoodably.
I must remind you to say "this cannot be" is to defend a position based on the lack of knowledge...And is the utmost unscientific....

If you can think logically,here the flaws of materialism flash. Who could think once about a everything penetrating lacking mass matter that holds everything and is undetectable ?And unexplicable by science to this day ? I wonder is it properly called matter. And though it exists,people still back up the cracked materialism where everything is matter and there's nothing else. Though even the foundation of the matter will appear to be unmaterial.

[chris_uk_83]

Then allow me to tell you why it cannot be. But first I must have your point of view clarified. Can you tell me exactly what you're trying to say in one post please?