Separating God from god.

**~~McGness~~** · July 08, 2008, 03:01 AM

God has many forms according to human belief systems
god has or had a form, however alien

God has a direct and daily affect on human lives
god probably doesn't or didn't ever know of humans directly

God is omnipotent or omnipresent or watching or a watchmaker or other
god was in some way associated with the creation of the universe

God is supernatural
god is natural, like energy or matter, governed by physics maybe

God is easily doubted
god is hard to dismiss

Just look.... at anything the universe has promulgated.

**Quink.NL** · July 08, 2008, 03:17 AM

*sigh*

Great, another god thread... When will people learn that discussing religious matters like this is a waste of time...

IMO God is someone to keep ignorant people happy, god is just physics.

**~~McGness~~** · July 08, 2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by bushbush

Showing off your depth again?

Originally Posted by Quink.NL

god is just physics.

Some people believe science is just a way to keep ignorant people in line, and today that pretty much is what it is.

That is for another discourse, God is just physics. God is a natural, not supernatural being/occurrence. God is Alpha. That is enough to make it god.

**AngryTitusPullo** · July 09, 2008, 06:05 AM

God created men, and then men created god/s.

**Quink.NL** · July 09, 2008, 06:10 AM

If there would be a god, it would be an ape: The bible states that god created men equal to himself. Well, since it's pretty much obvious and that we evolved from apes...

**Chaigidel** · July 09, 2008, 08:39 AM

god did not create man equal to himself --- he created man in the Image of Itself -- which is Solitude.

**AqD** · July 09, 2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Quink.NL

*sigh*

Great, another god thread... When will people learn that discussing religious matters like this is a waste of time...

IMO God is someone to keep ignorant people happy, god is just physics.

It's not a waste of time. How can you know the truth without discussion?

IMHO the idea of religion is just wrong - whether god doesn't exist, or may or may not exist, or he certainly exists and is as powerful as recorded (i.e. it's wrong even god shows up on sky right now).

A free man should not submit to anyone or anything, no matter what it is.
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**Theseus1234** · July 09, 2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by aqd

A free man should not submit to anyone or anything, no matter what it is.

but then theres gonna be those few people who will argue "we arent free, we are servants to God/god"

and IMO theres nothing different between God and god. its just adding capitalization. is Book different from book? is Saxophone different from saxophone? is Computer any different from computer? not really, youre just putting emphasis on the word to make it seem more important than it really is

**Amorphos** · July 09, 2008, 06:08 PM

god didnt exist before abrahamic religions, we had some forms of monotheism but mainly god is a fairly recent idea in the history of religion. ...and our idea of god has changed beyond what we can even call a god.
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he created man in the Image of Itself -- which is Solitude.

it is not solitude if your family is everyone ~ quite the opposite.

**AqD** · July 09, 2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Theseus1234

but then theres gonna be those few people who will argue "we arent free, we are servants to God/god"

Then he is not free. "All slaves are equal because god is a fair master"

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**Quink.NL** · July 10, 2008, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by aqd

It's not a waste of time. How can you know the truth without discussion?

If you still believe you can get to know the truth about a god through a discussion, it's about time to wake up...

Nobody can prove a god exists, nobody can prove the opposite. No discussion ever is going to change that fact.

Religious people tend to think discussion is useful, because most of the time, it's a chance of converting, either conscious or subconscious. They throw all kinds of vague conclusions or bible quotations at you, of which they claim it to be undeniable "proof" that there is a god. Of course this doesn't do it for people who don't believe, so every "discussion" ends in the status-quo it started with. It's like a trench war...

**AqD** · July 10, 2008, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Quink.NL

If you still believe you can get to know the truth about a god through a discussion, it's about time to wake up...

Nobody can prove a god exists, nobody can prove the opposite. No discussion ever is going to change that fact.

Religious people tend to think discussion is useful, because most of the time, it's a chance of converting, either conscious or subconscious. They throw all kinds of vague conclusions or bible quotations at you, of which they claim it to be undeniable "proof" that there is a god.

No. I just pointed out that the existence of god doesn't matter. It's wrong to believe we're born to be inferior to anything.

If we should sumit to those who appear to be superior to us, why not just worship bush or bill gates?

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**Chaigidel** · July 09, 2008, 06:34 PM

so you deny that you are alone in your skull ? you deny that you are absolutely alone in your perception?

**Chaigidel** · July 10, 2008, 08:45 AM

because the world can snatch you and all you love away so quickly that you will realize you are at the mercy of the universe you are not its master.

**AqD** · July 10, 2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

because the world can snatch you and all you love away so quickly that you will realize you are at the mercy of the universe you are not its master.

Then we should become the master.

If we just accept what's given to us, we would still be apes now.
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**Chaigidel** · July 10, 2008, 11:03 AM

but the fact remains you will never become its master you may learn how to live with it or to avoid most of its traps but in the end you are at the mercy of its whim, annihilation awaits at every moment.

**Amorphos** · July 10, 2008, 04:24 PM

chai

so you deny that you are alone in your skull ?

absolutely, mind is universal. we are all connected, it is our perception that is singular and most of the time it is focused on info from the brain which deludes us into thinking of ourselves as singular entities.

in the end you are at the mercy of its whim, annihilation awaits at every moment.

or that life simply continues [there is no annihilation].

aqd

If we should submit to those who appear to be superior to us, why not just worship bush or bill gates?

spot on!

**AqD** · July 10, 2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

but the fact remains you will never become its master you may learn how to live with it or to avoid most of its traps but in the end you are at the mercy of its whim, annihilation awaits at every moment.

How can you know we'd never become the master? Everythings we have now were seen as impossible or unimaginable 10,000 years ago, yet we have achieved them.

If god created human in the image of himself, he should know that. We should not submit because god himself doesn't submit.
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