Unique cities, hope is kindled....

[Erunion Telcontar]

I just had me a theory, but it depends on whether or not you (amazing) modders can do something. You all agree that the walls of Minas Tirith were basically impenetrable, correct? Well I was thinking, that if it was possible to change terrain texture, you could make Minas Tirith and Helms Deep out of cliffs, that happen to look like the walls would. Unfortunately, you'd still have to figure out how to get siege towers and ladders working.... But it is a thought!

[Brightgalrs]

Making walls of cliff wouldn't work because you would still need a "town" object with walls, gates, etc. I suppose you could "build" a minas tirith out of cliff then place this "town" on top.

[Deckster]

I think it would be possible (but I don't know, I've never done anything like it) to take the huge wall model, copy it, and change the new one so it has 100x the defense of the old one. That way it functions as a city, and is unbreakable.

[Erunion Telcontar]

I was thinking this so that you would have an opportunity to make it look real, as we know that we can place buildings where we want. But I'm no modder, and it probably wouldn't work.

[Darth Ravenous]

It could work. We need to wait until the team decides on the next course of action.

[The Count(er)]

well for making the game fun and balanced we probably can't make a wall invincible and after all saruman's gunpowder work at Helms Deep probably could put a nice hole in Minas Tirith's walls but I don't see why we shouldn't make it's walls stronger

[Darth Ravenous]

No Minas Tirith walls were indeed MUCH stronger then helms deep, I have a book on fortresses in middle-earth and to destroy the walls of Minas Tirith you would need a bomb like we have today maybe like a sidewinder or somthing regular gunpowder wouldn't cut it.

[The Count(er)]

I never said 1 would cut it who said Saruman could only make 1 or only make 1 of that size

[Darth Ravenous]

I'm sure he could make ones of that size aka "Da Bomb', but we need relavence here I mean it took him years to find out how to make bombs and when he did he only built a few so we can safely say that "Da Bomb" won't be included.

[The Count(er)]

yeah I know but this still leaves this open for setting up multiple bombs at the wall which won't do nothing no matter what he wall is made of(except things like the same wall being solid mithril)

[Darth Ravenous]

Well just take a look at Orthanc it's indestructible as seen in the movie. And remember those bombs were placed at a small drain so they were placed half-way into the wall when they exploded, Minas Tirith has no such place.

[The Count(er)]

the bomb still had to be powerful enough to make a hole in the wall so it would still do damage and say after 10 bombings it would of taken down Minas Tirith

[Darth Ravenous]

Yeah but in reality you would never be able to get ten bombs to Minas Tirith for several reasons.

[The Count(er)]

such as.......?

[Darth Ravenous]

Well First is that look in the difference in size, Second is that there would be many complications such as distance, the expolsions themselves, how many were used and how were they used and at what point they were used, aka the wall nearest to the mountain is strongest. Also it took very long time to make just one bomb to mutiply that on a grand scale would be too timeconsuming. Furthermore it takes time to set them up and the walls are much more defended then those at helms deep.

[The Count(er)]

well from a logical point of view Saruman could of gathered slaves and put them to work on making many of them(mostly because orcs might not be smart enough to handle this) instead of doing the whole thing himself of course building such facilities would be expensive and hard to do but if there was a building like this it wouldn't be such a crazy idea and of course the defenses could be a problem but a large force using their bodies as cover might work it would still be difficult but making the walls invincible is bad for gameplay in my opinion

[Darth Ravenous]

Well let the team decide is what I say.

Code_knight time for a poll.

[Turtules]

First you gotta get Minas tirith into play, then if you guys do I would have to agree with count because some evil players might like to make a hole in the shining gondorian capital, plus it would not be fair to have Minas Tirith´s walls invincible.

[Darth Ravenous]

That's why we have a poll. I was protecting Gondor but as for gameplay I would also love
to blow a hole in the white city.

[Turtules]

What do you guys need? team wise?