the foul parts of Humanity

[Chaigidel]

let us consider the question of ; cruelty, sadism, hatred, revenge, murder, rape etc

now we all understand these things are combinations of biological processes with conscious processes which define consequence and result ;

now the basics of the question is ; will humanity ever be able to erase these parts of itself which speak to the animal nature of the human being--- the rapist fulfills a biological drive; that is supported in evolution; then becomes a murderer out of a sense of self preservation -- now do you think that this combination of biological drive and self preservation will ever be overcome in the general human society?

will we ever quit killing and abusing one another?

and if so wherein is the solution ?

[Pontifex Maximus]

I think that we are gifted with some self control to an axtent, but the anwser is no. There will always be murders and rapes because of various reasons which could include things such as no moral standing, lack of sympathy or mental illness.

[Chaigidel]

so then why should humanity be allowed to exist?-- if it cannot control itself it deserves only extinction.

[the_mango55]

so then why should humanity be allowed to exist?-- if it cannot control itself it deserves only extinction.

why should any species be allowed to exist?

When a male Lion takes over a pride from another male, he murders all the children of the previous ruler.

Should we eliminate lions then?

[Pontifex Maximus]

so then why should humanity be allowed to exist?-- if it cannot control itself it deserves only extinction.

Not everyone rapes and kills...why should the species as a whole suiffer for the shortcomings of the few?

[Amorphos]

interesting question chaigidel

the only resolution is to get rid of the factors that begin chains, such as social and living conditions and the general circle of evil [where one evil act is committed which causes another in response etc].

alternatively; a negative emotion inhibiting chip. [like those brain pacemakers and similar devices].

or laser cams ~ kill on sight, big brother technology.

the thing is; what happens if we do make people peaceful?!

we would have to kill all predatory animals or be eaten, then would become vague and uninterested ~ the mind would have nothing to fire it up.

i think the negatives have to be there, what we can do is limit their scale.

[Shi Huangdi]

so then why should humanity be allowed to exist?-- if it cannot control itself it deserves only extinction.

There is no reason--except that God has decided that human beings are of value in themselves. That is the only reason we are worthy of existence.

[Amorphos]

or.

there is no reason why humanity should exist, perhaps we can say there are reasons why it shouldnt exist, but here we are thinking of it in a manner that suggests ‘something’ has possession of the on/off switch ~ where in fact nothing does. really we are creations of nature and can only be as good or bad as it is.

if then we find reason to condemn humanity, then why not its habitat, mother nature, existence and god?

[Serious Spamurai]

Rape and Murder are out of lack of self control more than fulfilling a natural instinct, whether that is brought on by other issues or inherent in the actual person. Mating is a natural instinct, most animals have mating rituals where they try and attract a mate, as opposed to leaping on them with a knife and forcing themselves on them.

[Tankbuster]

Rape and Murder are out of lack of self control more than fulfilling a natural instinct, whether that is brought on by other issues or inherent in the actual person. Mating is a natural instinct, most animals have mating rituals where they try and attract a mate, as opposed to leaping on them with a knife and forcing themselves on them.

No. Rape is a biological mechanism. So is war, and so is cheating.

War is a mechanism to refresh the genetic pool. We see it with chimps all the time. Every couple of years, the continuous internal mating in the tribe starts becoming incest. The gene pool is simply too small to keep forming new things. So every couple of years, the chimps attack an other tribe, kill the men and take the women with them. They then have another gene pool with which they can breed for a couple of years, without having chances at many genetic diseases or faults because of incest.
So war is really a mechanism to increase the gene pool.

Rape and cheating come from a different pattern.
A female can have only like 20-30 kids in a lifetime, maximum and if all goes well. The male, however, has enough sperm to fertilize thousands of eggs (if he finds the time, that is ). The male chooses one female to mate, but then the male will only have 20-30 descendants.
HOWEVER, a male that has a genetic drift to perhaps stay with one woman, but have sex with other women as well from time to time, he could have a lot more descendants. If that sex is wanted, we call it cheating. If not, then it's raping.

The urge for both is biologically explainable, and sadly, the drift will probably stay with us 'till humanity is extinct, because I don't think you can find a way to filter out these rape- murder- or cheating-genes :hmmm:

[Chaigidel]

many animals do leap on them with fang and claw and subdue them and commence the reproduction-- lions for one; its all just biological process; now humans have the right to claim that they are moving beyond the animal nature;but if there is no method or way to eliminate this kind of behaviour from the human animal I ask what good is our reason if we are unable to overcome the simplest parts of our nature?

[Chaigidel]

excellent question -- the answer almost always comes back to survival -- but im talking on a philosophical scale; if human beings indeed claim to be above other animals yet cannot raise themselves out of the reptile brain--is that consistent philosophically

[Chaigidel]

Why can we not?--- I think the science is getting close; and if we can should we?

[sirfiggin]

Such things do not result of our "lower self" or animal self, we subconciously seek to fulfill several variables in our being, with homeostasis resulting in happiness; if we are hungry, we eat to avoid discomfort, if we need to empty our bladders or bowels, we are agitated until we do, the more cerebral the need, the greater the discomfort.
Because of this, the need to reproduce and avoid shame or death is very high on our agenda, failure to meet these needs can cause deep psychological trauma and pressure, which can result in rape. The way to prevent this is to find the easiest and best way to reach homeostasis.

[gambit]

We are all animals. Nothing can change that, short of genetic and biological experimentation.

[Kiljaden]

Did I actually hear someone [Chaig] advocating the use of genetic modification to eliminate rape, murderous, and cheating behaviors?

Seriously though, genetic modification is one of the future developments I fear the most. In the hands of the wrong society, things will end up becoming "perfect" rather shortly. Master race kind of stuff. God complexes, superiority complexes, genocide of those that refuse would most likely ensue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for researching the genome and genetic experiments, but only for certain uses such as stem-cell research and growing organs for transplants. But it's my personal opinion that when it comes to cloning, modifying humans, or modifiying the general food supply (not clearly marking genetically modified foods), you are taking away someone's choice to involve themselves in a science that may have serious long-term negative consequences.

[invictus]

Am i the only one wondering what is wrong with war and such? I think its a good thing we have it. Id fear the day every country in the world got rid of their weapons... cause we all know what would happen after...






ALIENS INVADE!!! -Leon

[Kiljaden]

I'd be more afraid of the inability to defend myself from and rebel against a corrupt government. I LOVES MAH GUNZ

[Holger Danske]

yeah, like you're going to stand a chance against a MBT with your rifle..

[Amorphos]

the problem with genetic experiments is that someday, sometime, someone will do them!

i agree with kiljaden and invictus about weapons and war but what happens when technology goes to far for them? global war is out of the question because of nukes, so some weapon will come along and makes guns look like shortbows.

e.g. AI controled bullets, like mini missiles ~ never misses a target. ‘robots’ with such weapons. nano insects, their sting would kill and there is no defence.

it may simply be that evil will run its course in these terms and we will simply have to fins alternatives to settling arguments.

...bout time humanity grew up anyways.