No more units of this type availlable...

**Darwin Savoye** · July 06, 2008, 09:56 AM

This message is there for over 30 turns now in my extra large Castle in Bordaux, playing as French. I'm trying to make some armoured swordsmen or feudal knights, but I just never can build them... The buildings are present and I have enough cash (12.000 minimal in treausury) to make them, so why can't it ? Do they have a special requirement ?
Are they good for charges or are the mercenary frankish knights cheaper for useage / upkeep ?

While I'm at it; why is killing a person on the battlefield not the same as completing an assassination mission ordered by the council ? Dead is dead, no ?

Thank you,

**Theseus1234** · July 06, 2008, 11:06 PM

uhhh armored swordsmen are for the english only, and idk about feudal knights
and no, dead is not dead, assassination is different than all out war

**Darwin Savoye** · July 07, 2008, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by theseus1234

uhhh armored swordsmen are for the english only, and idk about feudal knights
and no, dead is not dead, assassination is different than all out war

Sorry, I meant armoured sergeants. I got it now too for my Ballista and Cannon... Buildings build but I only can train the peasant units (spearmen, crossbow men, regular peasants). Nonthing of the armoured sergeants, feudal knights, feudal swordsmen, ballista.....

**Xamt** · July 07, 2008, 04:19 AM

1) are u sure its a castle and not a town?
2) have you made all the necessary upgrades for the buildings required?
3) is there a culture/religion % you have to reach before you can recruit them?

**Darwin Savoye** · July 07, 2008, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Xamt

1) are u sure its a castle and not a town?
2) have you made all the necessary upgrades for the buildings required?
3) is there a culture/religion % you have to reach before you can recruit them?

1) Very sure, it is a Citadel, fully upgraded and with all the needed buildings. Costed enough to be sure off

2) Upgrades, such as ? I made the blacksmith and such upgrades, yes.
3) Not that I know off, religion in the region is 98% Catholic and the people are happy (green face). They are pretty standard units.

I just got kicked hard in Antwerp by the HRE, Mercenary and Peasant units vs the Armoured and Feudal knights are no good

**Xamt** · July 07, 2008, 05:54 AM

well i cannot think of a reason why you shouldnt be able to :s ... can you recruit them in another place?

by upgrades i mean, are your barracks for example upgraded?

btw - are you playing a mod?

**saglam2000** · July 07, 2008, 08:59 AM

ohhhh that means you are using real recruitment. you have do a war council or something like that to get your units. or you can re-install the patch and turn off real recruitment

**Darwin Savoye** · July 07, 2008, 12:24 PM

And what is "real recruitement" ?

**Theseus1234** · July 07, 2008, 06:13 PM

real recruitment is a mod for SS 6.1 that imposes limits on what you can recruit when and by whom and how much they cost

**Darwin Savoye** · July 08, 2008, 04:55 AM

Ah I see, thank you very much for the aid everyone!

**Darwin Savoye** · July 08, 2008, 06:31 AM

What I didn't really get is, when/how can I build them ? It depends on time ?
I started to test a Scots campaign now, and I can make the special units there. I also have Leaders who are in the "War Council". While in the same age the game where I was France I had none being in the "War Council".

Does this affect the AI too ? Cause in my Scots Campaign the French there do have their special units

Spending 3000 florins or more to upgrading the armor and make barracks and such for troops you can't build while having to invest your florins in mercenaries is a bit... frustrating.

**Xamt** · July 14, 2008, 05:26 AM

here's the answer to your problems

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106060

you should install whichever of the two updates works for you (i tried both :s) and then have a war council member as the governor of a castle... that way your "elite" units will refresh, at a very slow rate, but still ^^