unit abilities.

[Inhuman One]

It might be a small thing in a project like this, but maybe unit abilities need to be discussed a bit, it could result in some new ideas.

I personly think that elven troops should barely be able to rout, being very diciplined. they could be more vurnerable to piercing attacks though since they arent build as tough as the other races.

The standard orc troops should be easy to rout, they would be strong in numbers but when facing powerfull enemies that come in equal numbers, they could become affraid and flee.

Mumakill, trolls and other such creatures could frighten enemy troops of any kind, exept for the most elite troops who would know little fear.

If possible, uruks, dwarves and possibly some other troops could be able to do a warcry. it seems appropriate for them.

Easterlings and the Harad could get a bonus in deserts, which probably would just be their homerealm.

Orcs could get an attack bonus in night battles if possible.

[bingster088]

All good ideas.

[Eleril]

Yep,except for this one.

I personly think that elven troops should barely be able to rout, being very diciplined. they could be more vurnerable to piercing attacks though since they arent build as tough as the other races.

Why do people always tend to think of an Elf like some slim-build tree worshiper?That's what they are....in Abeir-Toril and the world of the Forgotten Realms,but Middle-earth is quite a different matter.The truth is that Elves are stronger in a physical aspect than Dwarves,still not so much endurance.But they can handle themselves pretty well.How do you think they fought Balrgos,how then Maedros could heal himself from a severe injury-the cutting of his palm-and after that still be able to fight with BOTH hands,how could than Finrod Felagund break STEEL chains and unarmed kill a werewolf?And so on and so on....

[Darth Ravenous]

Yep,except for this one.



Why do people always tend to think of an Elf like some slim-build tree worshiper?That's what they are....in Abeir-Toril and the world of the Forgotten Realms,but Middle-earth is quite a different matter.The truth is that Elves are stronger in a physical aspect than Dwarves,still not so much endurance.But they can handle themselves pretty well.How do you think they fought Balrgos,how then Maedros could heal himself from a severe injury-the cutting of his palm-and after that still be able to fight with BOTH hands,how could than Finrod Felagund break STEEL chains and unarmed kill a werewolf?And so on and so on....

You must remember while I agree with you that Elves are awesome these are MUCH weaker elves then those that fought during the First and Second Ages.

[Mac Wallace]

Uruk's cry is like the sound of cows on country!
It will make its enemies scared and a little bit confused!

Orcs cry will be less stronger than Uruks!

& than we have Nazgul's cry, the most terrible sound of all, it will let them flight for their life and safety for a couple of seconds!

A long men, I think the rohirrim can play a crying role, as you can see at the pelennor fields when they crush the orcs down!

[The Count(er)]

I felt we discussed most of this Elves will be some of the most powerful units that will almost never flee, orcs will be more likely to flee but we're not making them like peasants where they lose 30 men and their running home to their mommies, it's kind of obvious we're going to have trolls and mumakil frighten other units and why would easterlings have a bonus fighting in the desert

[2-D Ron]

Uruk's cry is like the sound of cows on country!
It will make its enemies scared and a little bit confused!

Orcs cry will be less stronger than Uruks!

& than we have Nazgul's cry, the most terrible sound of all, it will let them flight for their life and safety for a couple of seconds!

A long men, I think the rohirrim can play a crying role, as you can see at the pelennor fields when they crush the orcs down!

Isn't there a Kingdoms Ability for one of the Hero Units on the Crusades Campaign where you can cause Enemies to Rout Automatically?

[traxx91]

Isn't there a Kingdoms Ability for one of the Hero Units on the Crusades Campaign where you can cause Enemies to Rout Automatically?

Nah this would be a bit imbalanced. There is a ability which stunnes a part of the enemie's army thats all.

[Mac Wallace]

Well even men are afraid for orcs, if you can see in the battle within the walls of minas tirith, well everybody has some kind of being afraid, of course they do, its or life or death!!

[The Count(er)]

well we're going off the books for things like that and only looks for the movies anyways their no more afraid than any soldier would be at any battle orcs are not special in those regards

[Mac Wallace]

Orcs, no but when the big horses come!

[The Count(er)]

infantry were usually scared in real life when hundreds of horses decided to try and run them over once again that wouldn't change though

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infantry were usually scared in real life when hundreds of horses decided to try and run them over once again that wouldn't change though

Not for disciplined troops who stood their ground, then it was the horses that balked. Horses don't like to bump into people, especially when said people are pointing sharp objects at them.

[Eleril]

Dwarves would have far greater income with mining but less with trade. They could have 5 tiers of mines and others maybe just one or two.

While elves indeed live longer they wouldnt be invincible even with all their training.

They might fear less, have better morale and dicipline.

As far as I saw at the battle of helm's deep, none of the elves survived so lets keep that in mind too. If they where that superiour they would have survived.

Believe me when I say that-dwarves wouldn't have survived without both mining and trade.They trade what they've mined so they could have food.Dwarves have no farming so the only true food source for them is the trade.

Countless people have said countless times-the elves never showed up at Helm's Deep.But now I'm going to say something almost blasphemous-lets say that the elves came to Helm's Deep as the movies show.If I have estimated their numbers right there shouldn't be more than 100-200 Elves.And the fighting Uruck-hai of Saruman were like 10 000.So calculate the percentage.How could've they survived?1:10......I'll say no more.

[The Count(er)]

well in the Movie there was only something like 300-600 people at Helms Deep if not less in which case each soldier would need to kill something like 15 Uruk-Hai just to win pretty unlikely and Minas Tirith in the movies each soldier would need to kill about 150 orcs never mind the Harad, Rhun, and other reinforcements so the movies just exaggerated these already near impossible battles in the books

[Brightgalrs]

Is it possible to make new unit formations, like shield wall, but instead make all the units in a large circle. During the battle of the Fords of Isen I'm pretty sure the soldiers defend their camp like that.

[The Count(er)]

sort of like a schiltrom with shields I don't know if that thing can be done saying I haven't really gotten into modding units like that yet mostly because modeling isn't my thing so I never got into units because of that

[Brightgalrs]

Yea, sorta like schiltrom. It would be useful for defending a group of units.

[Krechet(SiCh)]

New formations can be created. But we don't have a person, who could do that, in our team. We need to attract someone for this

[Eleril]

And another question on unit formations-could their name be changed.Example-the shield wall's name to be thangail for the Elves and the High Men and the wedge formation name to be dirnaith?