More abortions.... less crime?

[Da Skinna]

Anyone else think if there were more condoms and abortions there'd be less crime.

I usually see places like Africa and Asia so overcrowded and white trash Americans and Canadians with bunches and bunches of kids...

It's because they're poor, so am I being too cold when I say more abortions mean less criminals because there's less poor people to do crime?

Poor people like to rut, that's all I'm saying.

[czePowerslave]

Ehm, you think there is a relevance between more abortions and then less crime? Like when I will have less kids, ill commit less crimes?

[Zuwxiv]

You're kind of linking a couple generalizations :|

Contraceptives --> Less Poor People ---> Less Crime

Generally speaking, a majority of unplanned pregnancies do occur for poorer families, and generally speaking, poorer people are more likely to commit crimes. I don't think that significantly increasing the availability of contraceptives would significantly decrease crime.

If you're talking about Africa, people are still by and large very poor; one less child probably means less income resulting from that child's labor (paid, or just housework or farm work). And in many areas, abortions (through methods like the day-after pill or IUD's) are fairly available. If someone wants to end an unplanned pregnancy, I think (could be wrong here) that they are generally able to do so, at least in some countries.

I definitely agree that there should be an increase in contraceptives; abstinence-only sexual education is a joke beyond belief. Decreasing unwanted pregnancies is always good - just on a mental stress level of the individual, as well as current global population trends.




My own thought: The wide variety of reasons to want to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn't need to touch on crime before it is an effective argument. Whether you promote abortion or not is a separate matter - but I think if a woman doesn't want to have a child, it's her decision. But I think allowing abortions in some form or another is a good think for the person and the possible unborn child.

Just as far as the abortion argument goes: You can't force me to keep someone I don't want in a house; how could you force a woman to keep someone she doesn't want in her body? Even if you count an unborn fetus as a person, I have yet to see an answer to that argument.

[pestulens]

. And in many areas, abortions (through methods like the day-after pill or IUD's) are fairly available.

Just a side note, those are both types of contraceptives, not forms of abortion.

[Viking Prince]

Just a side note, those are both types of contraceptives, not forms of abortion.

Once again the moral/religious gets tied up with the political. The Catholic Church would disagree. Abortion / Contraceptives are both sinful. Semantic gymnastics do not make one acceptable and the other sinful.

This is why government needs to be careful and less intrusive/nanny-like. This is why the churches need to stop trying to legislate sinful behavoir.

Another less charged example would be booze. Many Churches considered such imbibing to be sinful. Many parts of the world outlaw the possession and consumption.

The USA (at the state and local level) restricts times and places, but does not outright ban. To the extent that this protects underage citizens, this is probably good government. Sunday sales prohibitions are too intrusive. Making the ownership and operation of retail liquor stores more extensive than pharmacies is way too intrusive. All I am suggesting is the Government and Religion find ways to coexist.

I look to my faith for moral guidance. I look to the law to keep my family safe from attack.

[roy34543]

Well abortions and condoms cost money unfortunatly.

[Da Skinna]

Religion is a poor man's game too, mind you.

And yeah, I remember reading some study about why poorer people will on average have more kids.. something like more helping hands.

If we continue a rich man's approach to abortion... like being able to afford kids enough to determine if they exist or not based on religious beliefs... then yeah, I do believe crime will sustain.

If we say abortion is okay because it is the woman's choice and the "kid" has no legal rights until.. let's say, he can live independently from the womb, then we can have more abortions available for poor people... meaning less unwanted, unloved, unwatched children, then crime will decline.

Religion says it is a life, the laws of our civilization can't afford that and I just pointed out a reason it could be beneficial.

[Roman Clone]

And yeah, I remember reading some study about why poorer people will on average have more kids.. something like more helping hands.

Perhaps in Asian and African countries, yes...

But in Modern America, it wouldn't be wise to have a lot of children, because you have to feed all of those mouths.

Ehm, you think there is a relevance between more abortions and then less crime? Like when I will have less kids, ill commit less crimes?

Perhaps it won't be you committing crimes, but your children.

[czePowerslave]

Perhaps it won't be you committing crimes, but your children.

Ah, where have i heard this...

[the_mango55]

Not exactly a new theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp...rtion_on_Crime
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levi...alized2001.pdf (full paper)

But while it may cut criminal activity, I still don't accept that it's a good thing.

I'm sure concentration camps for minorities would cut crime too.

[Viking Prince]

Not exactly a new theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp...rtion_on_Crime
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levi...alized2001.pdf (full paper)

But while it may cut criminal activity, I still don't accept that it's a good thing.

I'm sure concentration camps for minorities would cut crime too.

Levitt's paper has serious problems (methodology and computer code). I would not use the source.

[Da Skinna]

Ah, I'm sure a wealthy elite like it, but do not want to alienate their base by allowing child-killing.

[LoZz]

less people will mean less crime, thats obvious.

but some of the biggest criminals in the world are rich bastards who steal from everyone.

but being poor doesnt mean being a criminal, some poor people have risen to quite high heights. includeing the current prime minister of britain

to be honest that sort of thinkings shows a total lack of value placed on human life, and a common elitist attitude of poor = criminal. far better would be to help people in poverty stay off crime with better education and social cohesion (allowing people to work there way out of poverty rather then being stuck in it) but thats hard isnt it? lets go for the quick fix huh? that atttitude makes me sick.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Anyone else think if there were more condoms and abortions there'd be less crime.

Yes. There'd be less people. Crime rates would probably remain the same.

I usually see places like Africa and Asia so overcrowded and white trash Americans and Canadians with bunches and bunches of kids...

So? If the population can't be sustained, they will die off.

It's because they're poor, so am I being too cold when I say more abortions mean less criminals because there's less poor people to do crime?

Yes.

Poor people like to rut, that's all I'm saying.

All humans have the urge to 'rut'.

[André Masséna]

Anyone else think if there were more condoms and abortions there'd be less crime.

I usually see places like Africa and Asia so overcrowded and white trash Americans and Canadians with bunches and bunches of kids...

It's because they're poor, so am I being too cold when I say more abortions mean less criminals because there's less poor people to do crime?

Poor people like to rut, that's all I'm saying.

I wonder what class of people get abortions more? Is it poor people? or are they rich people who just don't want to have to pay for a kid that will "ruin" their lifestyle.

I'd like to see some stats on that.

to be honest that sort of thinkings shows a total lack of value placed on human life, and a common elitist attitude of poor = criminal.

You had a good point LoZz. People like my namesake, Massena and others have risen from the lowest depths of Poverty to become some of the greatest men of their time. We might live in a sad world indeed if we aborted some of those people.

[jankren]

Im all for depopulation of the world, especially China and India. They have countless amount of kids that other countries have to provide shelter for them in the future. There isnt a single country in the world where you cant find a Chinese. LOL

[JP226]

Anyone else think if there were more condoms and abortions there'd be less crime.

No, the world is a tad bit more complicated. You have religious and moral reasons against condomns/ ubiquitous sex. You have very real economic concerns as well. Having a kid in the mideast is much different than in the west. To an undeveloped nation, kids are more insurance and a means to increase household income ontop of religious and cultural concerns. Giving them a peice of rubber isn't exactly going to break those barriers/ concerns.

[Cluny the Scourge]

No, the world is a tad bit more complicated. You have religious and moral reasons against condomns/ ubiquitous sex. You have very real economic concerns as well. Having a kid in the mideast is much different than in the west. To an undeveloped nation, kids are more insurance and a means to increase household income ontop of religious and cultural concerns. Giving them a peice of rubber isn't exactly going to break those barriers/ concerns.

What does any of that have to do with the question?

[Da Skinna]

I should've been more specific, I thought people would figure... but hey.

Poor people commit blue-collar crimes. There would be less violent and petty crimes if there were more abortions.

Enron a-holes are the white-collar pricks from middle to upper class families. They would stay regardless. The rich don't have to pay for crimes.

[JP226]

What does any of that have to do with the question?

it means education is more effective than a condomn.