Who or what created God?

[Miraj]

If one assumed the traditional idea of God is true, who created this God? Does God ever wonder where he came from and how his abilities to create stuff came to be? Does God believe in a SuperGod(TM) or is God just a big fat atheist?

Discuss.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

...it's turtles all the way down.

[Pivra]

i think according to the Bible.... God was not created by anybody....

[André Masséna]

If one assumed the traditional idea of God is true, who created this God? Does God ever wonder where he came from and how his abilities to create stuff came to be? Does God believe in a SuperGod(TM) or is God just a big fat atheist?

Discuss.

My question is, does time exist for God?

It's relative right? There doesn't really have to be a beginning or an end for something unaffected by "time"

just a thought.

[Miraj]

Nice thought. Not really answering the question though.

Believers regularly mention how unreasonable it is to believe something that exists doesn't need a creator. My question is that same idea extended to God.

Do Christians and Muslims actually believe God just existed forever and/or came out of 'nothing'?

[André Masséna]

Believers regularly mention how unreasonable it is to believe something that exists doesn't need a creator. My question is that same idea extended to God.

Do Christians and Muslims actually believe God just existed forever and/or came out of 'nothing'?

Well, my point is that there doesn't necessarily have to be a starting point, nor and end point, for God's existence really. He isn't "physical" by any means that I know of and is unaffected by any natural law...It's all terribly confusing. My mind hurts.

[Chaigidel]

god is a result of the process of the universe.

from big bang to dark period is all just stages in the birth of the one true god

and when It lives at the end of time it will be born in all times ( as it was the first time, in the beginning)

[Miraj]

Well, my point is that there doesn't necessarily have to be a starting point, nor and end point, for God's existence really. He isn't "physical" by any means that I know of and is unaffected by any natural law...It's all terribly confusing. My mind hurts.

That sound completely arbritary and quite wishy washy. My mind hurts too.

god is a result of the process of the universe.

from big bang to dark period is all just stages in the birth of the one true god

and when It lives at the end of time it will be born in all times ( as it was the first time, in the beginning)

Wtf???

God always was, always is, and always will be.

So you believe God came into being without any designer or reason or purpose? Doesn't God ever wonder why he's here and who made him?

[Vilhjalmr]

Well, my point is that there doesn't necessarily have to be a starting point, nor and end point, for God's existence really. He isn't "physical" by any means that I know of and is unaffected by any natural law...It's all terribly confusing. My mind hurts.

So "God" is essentially the variable in the equation, the "X" in the forumula, the wildcard and the magical answer to every question for which we lack the answer.


That's kind of silly.

[The Good]

God always was, always is, and always will be.

[André Masséna]

So "God" is essentially the variable in the equation, the "X" in the forumula, the wildcard and the magical answer to every question for which we lack the answer.


That's kind of silly.

Except in this equation we are assuming God exists...so I don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

[Vilhjalmr]

I think we are not assuming god exists. I think the point is that the origin of god is a fatal flaw in the idea of god as the necessary creator.


If we are going to go ahead and assume that he exists, we may as well postulate that he sprang fully formed out of the head of Zeus.

[McGness]

To answer the questions. God believes he is Ron Jeremy. What else would he believe? Traditional ideas of God believe it, mostly he, is alpha and omega.

[André Masséna]

I think we are not assuming god exists.

I'm just going off his first post...

If one assumed the traditional idea of God is true

So why can't this simply be applied to the universe, leaving the strange ape in the sky with serious sexual self-esteem issues out of the equation?

Well the Universe is affected by time. Our stars are born and burn out. God however is apparently everlasting.

[boofhead]

"Created" has a temporal connotation. Being outside of time, and being the First Cause, He was never 'created'. He always was. And always outside of time. So His creation is completely unnecessary. It is only limited man goggles which are bound by linear time which would make one think so.

You know this stuff, Miraj. Alpha & Omega.

[Vilhjalmr]

"Created" has a temporal connotation. Being outside of time, and being the First Cause, He was never 'created'. He always was. And always outside of time. So His creation is completely unnecessary. It is only limited man goggles which are bound by linear time which would make one think so.

You know this stuff, Miraj. Alpha & Omega.

So why can't this simply be applied to the universe, leaving the strange ape in the sky with serious sexual self-esteem issues out of the equation? :hmmm:

[boofhead]

So why can't this simply be applied to the universe, leaving the strange ape in the sky with serious sexual issues out of the equation? :hmmm:

Probably the Big Bang screws up the idea that the universe was always there.

[Syron]

Probably the Big Bang screws up the idea that the universe was always there.

Erm, no it doesn't.

As far as we know, the big bang was the beginning of spacetime. Hence "what happened before the big bang?" is a meaningless question.

[Miraj]

strange ape in the sky with serious sexual self-esteem issues

Best. God. Description. Ever.

[McGness]

So why can't this simply be applied to the universe, leaving the strange ape in the sky with serious sexual self-esteem issues out of the equation? :hmmm:

Honestly, that is a really cliche, and more sadly medieval, view of God. Especially what the new testament implies of God's nature.