The Teutons..! Question

**Babagitta** · July 04, 2008, 02:25 AM

In my Norwegian campaign, I'm on turn 140.

I destroyed the Teutons at Vilnius but their banner is still in my enemies' list. Also, their banner is in Pope's list, but there is no "star" on the map.

Is it a bug or there's another wave of Teutons?

Any information will be very helpful.
Thanks

**themoob** · July 04, 2008, 02:45 AM

They don't get wiped out unless you kill every last thing to do with them, armies, settlements, agents, whatever because they are set to horde status.

**Friesian** · July 04, 2008, 03:10 AM

Even after wiping them out completely I have my doubts if they are destroyed as a faction. In a previous campaign as Lithuania I wiped them out but they were still a faction.

**Gorrrrrn** · July 04, 2008, 06:01 AM

Try toggle_fow in the console and have a good look around.

(that said many people have commented on this - might be worth removing the horde status as it seems to mess things up?)

**Babagitta** · July 04, 2008, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Rozanov

Try toggle_fow in the console and have a good look around.

(that said many people have commented on this - might be worth removing the horde status as it seems to mess things up?)

Yeah, I did that but there's nothing. No armies, no agents, no star.
It was a very important battle and my mission was to kill them all. I made it but they are still in the lists.

Thank you for your ideas.

**Caesar Clivus** · July 04, 2008, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Rozanov

(that said many people have commented on this - might be worth removing the horde status as it seems to mess things up?)

But then you can't have them emerge in the early campaign.

**Gorrrrrn** · July 04, 2008, 11:09 AM

But then you can't have them emerge in the early campaign.

so it's back to sorting out why hording causes problems?

**Firebat11** · July 04, 2008, 12:46 PM

I've had this problem too. Playing as Lithuania, and destroying the Teutonic Order. They don't die.

BTW, The Teutonic Order and the Teutons are NOT (

I REPEAT, NOT

) the same thing.

**Mauzeer** · July 04, 2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Firebat11

I've had this problem too. Playing as Lithuania, and destroying the Teutonic Order. They don't die.

BTW, The Teutonic Order and the Teutons are NOT (

I REPEAT, NOT

) the same thing.

true

**Babagitta** · July 05, 2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Firebat11

I've had this problem too. Playing as Lithuania, and destroying the Teutonic Order. They don't die.

BTW, The Teutonic Order and the Teutons are NOT (

I REPEAT, NOT

) the same thing.

Yep you're right and thanks for info.
I'm using the word Teutons for the same reason as the word "flos" for florins. I'm not the only one who uses codes and everyone understands the meaning.

Anyway, they are still in my game but they are nowhere. I'm sure I destroyed them so I can say that this is a bug or something.

**tup** · July 05, 2008, 11:42 AM

Yes, it is. In one of my campaigns they're destroyed since well over 100 turns and became the richest faction with probably some hundred thousand florins.You have to live with it.
And KoJ has the same problem I think.