how to make all units recruitable for all factions, but not showing up on recruitment roster (see inside plz)

[Valerius Tiberius]

hi,

i wondered if it would be possible to make all units available for all factions.
BUT that only the factions it's own units can be recruited.
basicly, how to make it that when you bribe an enemy army, the units join your faction and don't disband
i think the above idea is the only one to make that possible?

[Hannibal Smith]

Dont know if it will work but in theory if you change ownership of the unit in the EDU.txt file, the hard bit would be changing the EDB.txt to ensure that your faction can only recruit its own units. You'd have to make a unique barracks, stables etc for your faction.

[Aradan]

If you just add all the factions in the EDU owner line and have appropriate texture lines for all factions in the DMB, it's ok. You can leave recruitment line sin EDB as they are if u only want to be able to bribe other units and not train them yourself. Plus, there's a limit on the units u can have avaialbale at a settlement at any given time, and adding all units there would cause your game to crash.

[Valerius Tiberius]

super
But, sorry to ask, could you explain me how to do this?
i don't want to mess anything up, see?

And, won't this give trouble, cause there are so many units? :hm:

tnx!

Valerius Tiberius

[Aradan]

Example: This is the descr_model_battle entry of barb_archer model, which is used by the Dacian, Scythian and Rebel "Archer Warband" units.

type			barb_archer
skeleton		fs_semi_fast_archer, fs_semi_fast_dagger
indiv_range		40
texture		dacia, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_archer_dacia.tga
texture		scythia, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_archer_scythia.tga
texture		slave, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_archer_slave.tga
model_flexi		data/models_unit/unit_warband_archer_high.cas, 8
model_flexi		data/models_unit/unit_warband_archer_med.cas, 15
model_flexi		data/models_unit/unit_warband_archer_low.cas, 30
model_flexi		data/models_unit/unit_warband_archer_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite	slave, 60.0, data/sprites/slave_barb_archer_sprite.spr
model_sprite	scythia, 60.0, data/sprites/scythia_barb_archer_sprite.spr
model_sprite	dacia, 60.0, data/sprites/dacia_barb_archer_sprite.spr
model_tri		400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

So, you see there is a texture line for each faction that can use this model for one of its units. So, if you also wanted the Gauls to use the same model (and assumed that the unit would use the scythian texture for example) you'd have to add the following line:

texture		gauls, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_archer_scythia.tga

Now, in order to save yourself some trouble, just backup your EDU, replace "ownership______" with "ownership______all_;", where a "_" indicates a space character. If "all" doesn't work, use the names of all cultures or all factions instead.

Before you do anything, back up EDU and DMB.

[Valerius Tiberius]

.... this will take much time i think
i'll start with it soon
tnx!!

Valerius Tiberius

[Valerius Tiberius]

HEEEY, i checked the org by coincidence, i never check that!!!, and stumbled upon this
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=45570

Now, i tried to contact the guy via his e-mail, but it said the adres doesn't exist
now, could anyone send this to him if you have an account at the org??

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hi,



i just saw your bribery mod in this topic

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=45570

Now i stumbled upon it by coincedince

I am very lucky cause i opened this topic at TWC

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=175418

Now, i wondered if you could sent me the files or re-upload them, cause the link in your topic doesn't work anymore

Or if you have an account at TWC, plz post there!

I hope this will work with RTW vanilla 1.5 ?



If you anwser me and your anwser is positive i will talk to you about something more

Have to keep it a bit of a 'secret' for now



tnx!!!!



Valerius Tiberius (at TWC)

plz let me know if someone could do this for me!!!! cause this is what i'm looking for!!

+rep and a great thanks for the person who helps me!!!

Valerius Tiberius

[Hannibal Smith]

Just checked the post and the last time stichmaster1 was active was 2005 as think that its a dead end. Also did you read in the post that it doesnt work with v1.5. Good thing is though that if you do it yourself you can release it as your own patch/mod

[Valerius Tiberius]

ow ok
but that will take a lot of time no?
i'll do it one of these days

[Valerius Tiberius]

is that descr_model_battle and export_descr_unit??? ok
so in the DMB i just copy the line, and replace the faction?

texture				gauls, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_longshield_gaul.tga

texture				Egypt, data/models_unit/textures/unit_barb_warband_longshield_gaul.tga

right?
and what about the greek cities and stuff?
do i just write them as found in descr_strat??

tnx!

Valerius Tiberius

ps: what about generals?

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type roman generals guard cavalry early
dictionary roman_generals_guard_cavalry_early ; Roman General
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier roman_medium_cavalry, 12, 0, 1
mount generals horse
mount_effect elephant -8, camel -4
attributes sea_faring, general_unit, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 3, square
stat_health 2, 0
stat_pri 11, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 7, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 1, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, 0, -6, 0
stat_mental 10, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 790, 80, 80, 120, 790
ownership romans_julii,romans_brutii,romans_scipii,romans_senate

and

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type celt_general
skeleton fs_dagger
skeleton_horse fs_hc_swordsman
skeleton_elephant fs_forest_elephant_rider
skeleton_chariot fs_chariot_sword
skeleton_camel fs_hc_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture gauls, data/models_unit/textures/officer_barb_general_gaul.tga
texture britons, data/models_unit/textures/officer_barb_general_briton.tga
;texture spain, data/models_unit/textures/officer_celt_general_spain.tga ;SHOULD USE CARTHAGINIAN NOW?
model_flexi data/models_unit/officer_barb_general_high.CAS, 8
model_flexi data/models_unit/officer_barb_general_med.CAS, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/officer_barb_general_low.CAS, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/officer_barb_general_lowest.CAS, max
model_sprite 60.0, data/sprites/celt_general_sprite.spr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5

what to do with that?

[Aradan]

You should be using the internal faction names (ie greek_cities)
If you intend to give all units to all faction, well, that includes also the models for captains and standard bearers, so you need to do the same there. No need to do it for*generals* though, as no unit is coded to have a general with it.

[Valerius Tiberius]

and general=family members, no need to cause they join anyway, right?
ok then i'm gonna start to make it tonight and upload it when ready!
tnx all for your help!!

Valerius Tiberius

[Valerius Tiberius]

only the texture line must be copied right? like in my post #10?
only texture line?
and what about model_sprite?
copy that also?

[Aradan]

That's not necessary afaik, but it would be better if you did.

[Valerius Tiberius]

OMFG, i just started and
IT'S SO DAMN MUCH!!!!

sorry
but i think that if i'm gonan do that all by myself i'm gonna be busy for years and yeaaaars
so i think it would be better if like some did the cav, others the first half of inf and a third one nex half or something.......

[Drustan]

Thought of a work- around


Add all the units to all the rosters, but make an impossible requirement for recruiting units if the faction shouldn't have them.

[Squid]

That isn't the issue, not changing EDB keeps recruitment the same. The problem is every model needs a texture for every faction. This is 21 factions times a maximum of 255 models ~5000 lines of code.

[Valerius Tiberius]

wow, guys, i just thought of something:

what if all battles were auto-resolved?
do i still have to edit both files then?

or what happens then?

[Hannibal Smith]

Doesnt that kind of defeat the object! Whats the point in having exotic units if you cant see them in battle. Rather than Try to convert all the units to all factions why not try to do things in small steps

Either :

1) Pick a key unit from each faction and make it avalible to all factions. ie Carthaginian Elephants or Greek Spartans.

or

2) Make all units avalible to just one faction to start with, the one you play with most. You can always add to it later.

[Valerius Tiberius]

it's for my hotseat game "Augustus!" , where all factions are controlled by humans.
Therefore, all battles are auto-resolved

so i could implent this, and finish it later, for people who want the fights

but plz tell me, what must i do if i only atoresolve?