UK: White Children Most Likely To Be Bullied

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White children most likely to be bullied

Joanna Sugden

White children are much more likely to be bullied than any other ethnic group - reversing racial stereotypes surrounding playground abuse, Government research indicates.
Two thirds of children from white families say they had been bullied in the last three years but less than half of children of Indian origin make the same assertion.
Anti-bullying campaigners say white children are now in the minority in some areas raising their chances of being bullied.
Claude Knights, director of anti-bullying charity Kidscape, said:“More and more we’re hearing that in some cities it isn’t the usual isolation of ethnic groups, suddenly we have got statistics that show we have got a larger number of white young people being bullied.

“In some cities there’s a dislocation of certain white children. So many cultures around them are being celebrated but where’s their place? There’s been such an attempt that you don’t forget what has come in to the system that what was there already has been forgotten.” This isolation makes children feel “different” she said, and was likely to lead to them being bullied.

Six in ten children of black Caribbean origin said they had experienced bullying in the last three years, according to research into 16-year-olds by the Department for Children Schools and Families(DCSF). The results indicated that 58 per cent of children from Pakistani backgrounds and 54 per cent of those with Bangladeshi roots had been victims of bullies.
Louise Burfitt-Dons, founder of the charity Act Against Bullying, which cut ties with Jade Goody after allegations of racist bullying against Indian actress Shilpa Shetty on Big Brother, said: “Normally all you hear about is bullying with racial groups being discriminated against.
“Whites are becoming more aggressive than they used to be as a result of trying to intergrate into a new society norm that is so aggressive. They have changed the way they behave in order to survive.”

The study also found that boys are just as likely to be bullied as girls but as many as eight in ten children with a disability that affects their school life said they had suffered at the hands of bullies in the last three years.
A spokesperson for the DCSF said:”We have given teachers and heads the powers and support they need to prevent and tackle bullying. But bullying is a challenge we must all face up to and we need the support of teachers, heads, parents, young people and bystanders. It is important that children and young people who experience bullying speak out and do not suffer in silence.”

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[kev-o]

Are the Chavs turning into pussies now?

[Copperknickers II]

Are the Chavs turning into pussies now?

Turning into? Chavs couldn't stab a pumpkin. Here in Scotland, the neds don't discriminate by race, we have plenty of asian and african scum round here, as well as our usual white suspects.

"well, there are more white kids in our schools then any other race, therefor logically most of the bullying will be done towards whites. bullying goes well beyond race! i am also sure most bullying is done by whites. they are the largest victims and abusers because they are the largest group."

Please learn to read. They conducted this survey by proportions of each race that had been bullied, not numbers. How stupid would you have to be to draw a conclusion like that based on numbers?

[Tiwaz]

Welcome to multicultural society.

Truth is, if immigrants represent totally different cultural background they will have different values. Which they will, naturally, tend to push into their surroundings.

And then flowerhatladies expect us to understand and tolerate them.

I wonder when natives would be ones that are understood and tolerated...

[Last Roman]

Welcome to multicultural society.

and yet, in America (at least in middle-class and wealthy areas) that's not a problem (on any large scale at least)

point is, I'm not sure multiculturalism is solely to blame here

[Tiwaz]

and yet, in America (at least in middle-class and wealthy areas) that's not a problem (on any large scale at least)

point is, I'm not sure multiculturalism is solely to blame here

Neither does USA have estabilished local culture which would be good starting point.

Lacking actual culture and tradition there is little stuff that would be somehow affected with multiculturalism. It is just hodgepodge mess of fragments from here and there.

And STILL USA experiences separation. Chinatowns were formed because chinese wanted to be around chinese in conditions which were like China. Of course today it is watered down version but still.

USA lacked culture which would be at odds with immigrants. Europe has old and estabilished culture. There is no room for immigrant cultures, what they try to gain they gain through trying to force their culture on natives. In short, replace native culture.

Which, to us natives, is highly offensive. (And I bet indians were not exactly thrilled with white man coming to roll over their way of life either)

[Last Roman]

Neither does USA have estabilished local culture which would be good starting point.

Lacking actual culture and tradition there is little stuff that would be somehow affected with multiculturalism. It is just hodgepodge mess of fragments from here and there.

And STILL USA experiences separation. Chinatowns were formed because chinese wanted to be around chinese in conditions which were like China. Of course today it is watered down version but still.

USA lacked culture which would be at odds with immigrants. Europe has old and estabilished culture. There is no room for immigrant cultures, what they try to gain they gain through trying to force their culture on natives. In short, replace native culture.

I would argue most of that. America certainly has an established culture, primarily based on that of Anglo-Western culture, today it is still primarily Anglo with bits and pieces of others mixed in.

However, I agree that a new culture trying to impose on the old rarely goes over well. What has worked well for America, for the most part, is that we've taken the best parts of incoming cultures and added it on to the established Anglo one.

But granted, even the established Anglo culture in North America is fairly new compared to the established ones in Europe

[Tiwaz]

I would argue most of that. America certainly has an established culture, primarily based on that of Anglo-Western culture, today it is still primarily Anglo with bits and pieces of others mixed in.

However, I agree that a new culture trying to impose on the old rarely goes over well. What has worked well for America, for the most part, is that we've taken the best parts of incoming cultures and added it on to the established Anglo one.

But granted, even the established Anglo culture in North America is fairly new compared to the established ones in Europe

I should be more clear on my choice of words. I use culture in widespread sense.

Culture where I try to present is more combination of culture (as in music), tradition and social norms. Society as whole.

USA has had society for what? Few centuries now? Most of it as area with little people over large areas. Mixing people from variety of cultrues creating more or less mess. Bits from here, bits from there.

There is no clear, unifying cultural tradition in USA. You people in a way lack national identity.

It appears americans try to manage lack of such unifying factor with few things. Like what is commonly called überpatriotism where you fly flags everywhere and place some few physical items in high reverence (like constitution etc). And little bit of propaganda (USA teh best! RAWR).

Same stuff that was done in Europe ages ago when tribes tried to unite.
Lots of it is very flashy and showy. Designed (without conciuos thought perhaps) to try to enforce some kind of feeling of belonging.

Many of these things are no longer necessary in Europe. Finns for example, my favorite subject, do not by and large show off patriotism etc in such flashy way.

Reason is that our society has been long time ago estabilished. Unifying cultural and social system which binds us as same people. It also means that foreigner will be foreigner to day they die unless they go through lots of trouble to learn subtle or not so subtle parts of local culture and society and to behave along them.

Immigrant on other hand has their own behavior codes they learned on youth. Unless they grasp that they have moved to country with totally different system, and even if they understand but fail to start long and hard process of trying to integrate, they will behave along these lines they learned as child.

Problem is, if you come from very different kind of culture you will definitely clash with local culture. You will violate it's principles. And you feel frustration that locals behave "wrong" way. And locals see you behave badly. Which will lead to problems with for example employment. Employer does not want worker who can't behave properly (by LOCAL standards).

In USA this is not problem, there is no such principles in same way Europe has. They are being built, but it will take far more time to reach maturity. You are just another american if you wave flag and so forth.

That is why multicultural society fails. Once you have estabilished society, you cannot just drag any kind of immigrant in and not have problems. Immigrants have to more or less abandon their original culture in everyday life and learn to behave along lines of local culture. Why? Because they are immigrants. Local culture trumps their culture. And trying to force locals to accept your alien cultural norms is just plain stupid and wrong.

Of course this does not mean you have to abandon it completely. But when you leave your home where you can live by your native rules (as long as not violating laws), you enter different world.

That is difficult for immigrants.

[MaximiIian]

and yet, in America (at least in middle-class and wealthy areas) that's not a problem (on any large scale at least).

Exactly. Racism has mostly receded in this country, because we have successfully mixed the various immigrant cultures into a general American culture. We are the Borg of all nations, after all.

The source of bullying in the United States is, not race or religion or clothing style, but athleticism. Schools in America are too overtly into athleticism, and often let bullying of smaller, physically weaker, non-athletic children go unpunished. People like myself, who disdain sports and are more intellectual, or my friends who are into music and the arts, have endured bullying and insults at a large scale in the past.
Athleticism is the real problem in American schools.

[Roman Rapper]

and yet, in America (at least in middle-class and wealthy areas) that's not a problem (on any large scale at least)

point is, I'm not sure multiculturalism is solely to blame here

You are completely wrong. The amount of bulling that goes on between high school students in the U.S is huge. Whenever there is a case of a student in the U.S taking a gun into school and killing people, it is almost always because they have been bullied by their peers.

[morteduzionism]

Welcome to multicultural society.

Truth is, if immigrants represent totally different cultural background they will have different values. Which they will, naturally, tend to push into their surroundings.

And then flowerhatladies expect us to understand and tolerate them.

I somewhat want to sympathize with you but...I can't.

This, IMO, is similiar to what happened in America. You [not you specifically] bring people over as 2nd class citizens with the assumption that they will always be 2nd class citizens. Why?

After decades, centuries in some peoples cases, of mistreatment the "natives" are shocked when the immigrants don't want to assimilate into the culture...

I wonder when natives would be ones that are understood and tolerated...

...I think the immigrants understand "natives" perfectly. They've understood for years that most "natives" probably don't want them there and don't like them...lol

Tolerated? ...once again I think the "natives" have always been tolerated. When the "natives" were undeniably on top immigrants had to "tolerate" them all the time...lol

[Tiwaz]

I somewhat want to sympathize with you but...I can't.

This, IMO, is similiar to what happened in America. You [not you specifically] bring people over as 2nd class citizens with the assumption that they will always be 2nd class citizens. Why?

After decades, centuries in some peoples cases, of mistreatment the "natives" are shocked when the immigrants don't want to assimilate into the culture...

Or perhaps immigrants moving to new country... Shock and horror... Would be treated better if they did not act like it was whateveristan.

[B]
...I think the immigrants understand "natives" perfectly. They've understood for years that most "natives" probably don't want them there and don't like them...lol

Tolerated? ...once again I think the "natives" have always been tolerated. When the "natives" were undeniably on top immigrants had to "tolerate" them all the time...lol

Immigrant moves to foreign country. Expecting to be appeased and have things done their way is just about the ultimate expression or arrogance.

If you can't handle integrating, don't leave home!

[morteduzionism]

Or perhaps immigrants moving to new country... Shock and horror... Would be treated better if they did not act like it was whateveristan.

See below.

Immigrant moves to foreign country. Expecting to be appeased and have things done their way is just about the ultimate expression or arrogance.

It's also human. I think every human automatically tries to alter their environment to better suit themselves.

If you can't handle integrating, don't leave home!

...IMO, they do not want to integrate. They only want the economic benifits that the country provide. IMO, they could care less about the country or the people since they are not from that country or view themselves as one of it's people.

Don't leave home!? ...some of them would die if they stayed home. I think if it's a choice between being slaughtered by the government or moving to a city/country that already has people from their particular community...is a no-brainer...lol...even if the "natives" will give you dirty looks...dirty looks don't kill.

[Tiwaz]

See below.


It's also human. I think every human automatically tries to alter their environment to better suit themselves.

Yes. And it is human to resent people coming to your home and trying to turn it into whateveristan.

More you push the natives, more likely they are to retaliate with violence.

...IMO, they do not want to integrate. They only want the economic benifits that the country provide. IMO, they could care less about the country or the people since they are not from that country or view themselves as one of it's people.

Indeed. And this is huge problem. As "multicultural" illusion tries to enforce this as somehow good thing. In reality it brings immense amount of tensions and problems.

Don't leave home!? ...some of them would die if they stayed home. I think if it's a choice between being slaughtered by the government or moving to a city/country that already has people from their particular community...is a no-brainer...lol...even if the "natives" will give you dirty looks...dirty looks don't kill.

You know, when you annoy natives enough with your attempt to force your cultural norms on them in their native country...

They might respond in ways you do not like. Say, deport you to that hellhole to die or just shoot you when tensions grow far enough.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Does the article assess whether the 2/3 of white people that are being bullied are being bullied by other white people?

Also, which cities did the government assess? Places like Leicester and Bradford, it is likely that more white people are bullied by non-whites than non-whites by whites, but that doesn't mean it is only non-whites that are bullying whites.

All I can say is that the research is exceptionally flawed and this thread will just cater to political stalemate.

[Shaun]

Due to the fear of saying anything that might upset anyone of an ethnic minority, it is not surprising that that white kids are most likely to get bullied. Probably by other whites, in fact.

Needless to say, bullying is bullying and it all needs to be stamped out.

[Cluny the Scourge]

It's far less likely that proportionately more whites are being bullied, than that proportionately more whites consider that they have been bullied. The Indian, Pakistani and black kids will have a higher threshold for what they consider is bullying behaviour, partly because they are used to getting the short end of the stick at school, and partly because they aren't raised by weak, overprotective parents.

[boofhead]

Oh well. White kids deserve it. You know, slavery, crusades, colonialism, stuff like that. They are responsible for it all, even if they are only 8 years old. They deserve to pay. Just see it as affirmative action by non-white bullies, helping to even the historical score.

[John I Tzimisces]

You white-folk oughta man up
This is what happens I guess. The British go out and conquer everyone. Then everyone moves with them back to Britain and beats up on their kids. Bloo-hoo

[Green]

That is why multicultural society fails. Once you have estabilished society, you cannot just drag any kind of immigrant in and not have problems. Immigrants have to more or less abandon their original culture in everyday life and learn to behave along lines of local culture. Why? Because they are immigrants. Local culture trumps their culture. And trying to force locals to accept your alien cultural norms is just plain stupid and wrong.

That's why I prefer a melting-pot society over a multicultural society. In a melting pot scenario, the incoming immigrant's culture is fused with the country's culture, so in a sense the immigrant as well as the nation's culture is changed ('destroyed' if you like) and remade. That is what I believe America is. You lose some parts of your culture, you gain some new parts, and sometimes there's a veritable mix.

Oh well. White kids deserve it. You know, slavery, crusades, colonialism, stuff like that. They are responsible for it all, even if they are only 8 years old. They deserve to pay. Just see it as affirmative action by non-white bullies, helping to even the historical score.

Where's the implication in the source that white kids are being bullied more by 'ethnic' kids? And where's the implication in the source that white kids are being bullied more by non-white kids because they think the white kid deserves to pay for historical wrongs?

Or are you talking out of your arse?