VT murder/ rape ring

[Chaigidel]

this is a topic about the recent murder/rape of the young girl from vermont, apparently killed and raped by her own uncle involved in some sort of gang of sex offenders which routinely raped and threatened girls in this town.

my point for bringing up this horrible story is this; can cruel and unusual apply to a man like this? I mean once you do what he has done shouldnt we have the right to torture him to death? to torture him until he pays for every moment he stole?

I cannot help but think that there is no horrible thing we can do to this man that would amount to cruel and unusual ; there is no horror we could put him through that would be unjustifiable-- honestly he isnt human so does the law apply?

[McGness]

no, the state should not have that right

[Theseus1234]

we cannot make exceptions. to make exceptions for one is to make exceptions for all and then the system will collapse

[Heinz Guderian]

this is a topic about the recent murder/rape of the young girl from vermont, apparently killed and raped by her own uncle involved in some sort of gang of sex offenders which routinely raped and threatened girls in this town.

my point for bringing up this horrible story is this; can cruel and unusual apply to a man like this? I mean once you do what he has done shouldnt we have the right to torture him to death? to torture him until he pays for every moment he stole?

I cannot help but think that there is no horrible thing we can do to this man that would amount to cruel and unusual ; there is no horror we could put him through that would be unjustifiable-- honestly he isnt human so does the law apply?

I reckon we could designate them enemies of America and hold them indefinately without trial. If we cant do it on the mainland, we could pick an island with a dependency/base link. As for subjugating them to torture..:hmmm:...yeah why the hell not. I heard drowing people is pretty scary, if we could come up with a technique to simulate drowning, we could do it over and over again without killing them, thereby prolonging their suffering.

But then again, i am one crazy .

[Chaigidel]

actually water boarding is not a bad idea
esp since the government calls that "not torture"

could just waterboard him every day of the remainder of his life.

[Chief Astook]

and this is all assuming the government actually cares for jane nobody out in some state, just another statistic to them

[Sidmen]

my point for bringing up this horrible story is this; can cruel and unusual apply to a man like this? I mean once you do what he has done shouldnt we have the right to torture him to death? to torture him until he pays for every moment he stole?

Nah, just one shot to the head and let that be the end of it. forget him, and forget what happened. Otherwise you grant him immortality.

[Chief Astook]

we should get that guy from texas

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=175049

[Chaigidel]

I would willingly grant him an immortality of pain-- there can be no mercy for this man or his ilk, they must be so punished as for us to be ashamed of the hell we wrought upon his flesh.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

The problem with torture is that it, as well as the death penalty, can be easily applied to inocents once legalized. And with the death penalty there is no comeback, once an inocent man is killed it's the end no matter what investigations conducted later say about him and unjust punishment. Torture does not make this extreme step yet once applied it can be a traumatic and even cause permanent physical damage. What if Justice finds it has been punishing the inocents? Justice is by no means perfect, even to determine who gets to live in jails, much less to list who should suffer from a terrible treatment in the hands of the state. Torture is a repressive instrument by essence.

[Chaigidel]

but isnt the innocent life worth the price now? with so many on this earth isnt it worth damning one innocent to torment the rest?

[The Big Red 1]

I just love saying this without reason...

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

No one is guilty until proven the contrary.

And if Justice willingly punishes the innocent to set a paradigm and example to others it ceases to be Justice to become something else, like a domination instrument.

It is a basic legal principle, and one with great gravity, to punish only the guilty after a determined investigation and judgement finds them as so. Or else we'll be picking innocent street people to suffer for what they didn't do, and the guilty will continue with their crimes unpunished. This is not what will stop them from comitting them.