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    Default Why does God care at all?

    Inspired by the cock debate...

    Let's consider scale... first size
    I am two metres tall (rounded)
    The Earth is 13,000 km in diameter (average, rounded)
    The solar system is 50,000 AU wide
    The galaxy is 100,000 light years wide

    So I am one 7,500,000th of the Earth's size
    one 750,000,000,000th of the Solar System's size
    one 900,500,000,000,000,000th of our galaxy's size
    And that's without going into the known universe...

    Number
    I am one 6,000,000,000th of the population of the world
    By contrast there are 1,000,000,000 bacteria on one person's skin

    Age
    I will live about 80 years
    Humans have been around 130,000 years
    The Earth has been around 4,540,000,000 years
    The universe is about 14,000,000,000 years old

    I will exist for one 2,000th of the time humans have been around (approximate)
    I will exist for one 60,000,000th of the time of the Earth (approximate)
    I will exist for one 2 billionth of the age of the universe (approximate)



    Now to move on from numbers, as I have likely bored anyone who had time enough to read them all. Think of the scale of the numbers involved, billions, trillions even quintillions (A million million millions). Does that not make you feel kind of small? The brain cannot even process this kind of numerology, our brains stop before we even reach 100 and then just start thinking "many, many many, lots and lots and lots of many!" rather like the trolls of Pratchett.

    Why should God care? Compared to the universe our lifespan lasts about the same time as it takes for us to blink twice compared to our lifespan. Tiny, absolutely minuscule. In size we are so small we would require being one of ten supremely powerful world leaders to be capable of effecting the Earth itself, and even then we require the manpower of many millions. We have managed no more then shifting soil on an interplanetary level, and the solar system hasn't noticed we're here yet. The chance of us effecting our galaxy is next to none.

    Why should God care? We're irrelevant, absolutely pointless blinking dots flashing limply in a firework display. He has a universe to look after, as well as many other possible sentient species, many of whom may be vastly more successful then our own. If our entire species died out, life on Earth would remain quite unchanged, possibly even unaware of our disappearance, and our legacy would vanish within a century. If the Earth itself imploded, destroying God's "great work". Nothing much would change but the moon, which would have quite a fit as it crashes into nearby objects. The solar system would keep revolving and the galaxy would hurtle on without any change at all.

    Quite simply, the chance of God paying any more attention to us then the seat you are sitting on, and the fleas inhabiting it, is as close to nil as to render the question insignificant. Men of old created a figure who pays attention to these blinks and their petty needs in an egotistical fit, human nature to make themselves center of the universe.

    To just give yourself a realisation of how pointless we are. Attempt to count your blinks for the rest of your life, their precise form and nature, cause and speed. At the same time pay attention to the very tip of your very central eyelash (use a mirror if necessary), and try and guess which direction it wants to go.

    Sound pointless? So are we

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    Maybe gods suppose to care, maybe God isn't the only one but God is suppose to care for us. Maybe God sees us as children and can't help but care.
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    Would you care if you had 6,000,000,000 children at eatch second, while each child dies in a fraction of a second living no mark on your life?
    Born to be wild - live to outgrow it (Lao Tzu)
    Someday you will die and somehow something's going to steal your carbon
    In contrast to the efforts of tiny Israel to make contributions to the world so as to better mankind, one has to ask what have those who have strived to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth done other than to create hate and bloodshed.

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    That's part of the wonder of God, despite our insignificance, he still loves us.

    God cares because he allegedly created us.

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    it doesnt care about you at all.

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    Default Re: Why does God care at all?

    Its God you guys. He has time for all of His children.


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    Maybe gods suppose to care, maybe God isn't the only one but God is suppose to care for us. Maybe God sees us as children and can't help but care.
    Supposed to? According to who? Who controls God?
    God is all powerful apparently, there is nothing he can't help but do.


    That's part of the wonder of God, despite our insignificance, he still loves us.
    According to a book written two thousand years ago, the most prestigious of all sources! There is honestly nothing in day to day life which points towards this, and common sense points away from it.

    God cares because he allegedly created us.
    He also created the universe allegedly, and if you look at the first post, it isn't exactly a small place!

    Its God you guys. He has time for all of His children
    Why?

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    Inspired by the cock debate...
    Greatest opening statement ever.

    Now...

    Why wouldn't he care?

    If I'm sitting in school and I draw a slightly impressive doodle, I find myself proud of that doodle. I show it to my friends and boast about my glorious doodle.

    If I'm playing Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne RP's online, and I make an impressive city, I'l sit there for a while and go...wow..thats awesome. I love my city, and when some frakking noob eventually comes and burns it to the ground, I unleash my undying wrath on him.

    Despite our many flaws, the human race is rather fascinating. We have woman, who are argueably the most beautiful things ever. We have created arts, philosophy and pizza. Millions of us actually go around praising this God for creating us.

    Also it sounds bad, but we have to face the facts. To God, we ARE that doodle on my desk. We ARE that 'simulation video game' running around in our own world, hardly able to conceive what is going on in God's. We are the miniscule playground sandbox, and God created us probably to brighten up existence. That being said, he does care about us. I'm sure he takes pride in the whole beautiful arrangement that is the universe, and we are mere details. Just one small speck of a portion of some great tapestry that is the universe....
    ...
    .. I forgot what I was talking about.
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    A perfect being can have no agenda, it desires nothing and therefore does not care for anything (among other stuff it doesn't need to do, like thinking). If there is a perfect supreme being (god), it doesn't care. Only human vanity can create a caring perfect god who nonetheless requires worship, sacrifice, and concerns itself with stuff the village gossip would find beneath them (like what goes into ones digestive system for example or how one uses their genitals and when). I mean seriously, one should be able see how small and insignificant one is compared to the universe before one thinks there is an all powerful omniscient being that has nothing better to do than babysitting them.

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    but since got must necessarily understand your experience from your point of view to fulfill the omniscience thing; its actually quite natural for god to have individual care for everything as far as your life goes that is--- overall I would still say god does not care because god is beyond caring.

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    how do u know god is beyond caring?

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    Is there really a God? If so, then he is one twisted Mo Fo.
    'Twas a woman who drove me to drink, and I never had the courtesy to thank her for it. WC Fields

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    yes, you must be right, god cannot care for us because we are just to small, he only cares about big things, like galaxies and such

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    Why would it care about anything, galaxies included? How can a perfect being have desires? Unless we are talking non-perfect gods, but these have fallen out of fashion a couple of thousand years ago, at least on this side of the world.

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    God doesn't care; only the nephilim cares about us.
    Don't worry, the nephilim are coming back at Dec. 21, 2004
    and they will rectify the situation on earth.

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    I guess, to play devils' advocate, he cares for reasons beyond our capacity to imagine. And he is able to care for all of us (despite all the other demands on his resources) because he has limitless resources of time, consciousness, intelligence and compassion.

    However clever we get with these questions, blind faith dead-bats them all. It astonishes me that we are still debating the superstitions of a 2000-year-old tribe of dusty shepherds.

    It is a shaming testimony to humanity's capacity for dead-eyed, unblinking conformity.

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    I think it's obvious, if there was a God, he is FAR from perfect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter S. Thompson
    You better take care of me, Lord. If you dont.. you're gonna have me on your hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    I think it's obvious, if there was a God, he is FAR from perfect.
    That's big news to me. Has there been a recent doctrinal update I have missed? Candid question btw, I always was under the impression that God is simply perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius Nero View Post
    That's big news to me. Has there been a recent doctrinal update I have missed? Candid question btw, I always was under the impression that God is simply perfect.
    If God was perfect his creations would be perfect. As we have fallen far from perfection as well, the flaw is obviously pointed towards God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    If God was perfect his creations would be perfect. As we have fallen far from perfection as well, the flaw is obviously pointed towards God.
    I don't think that's the position of any, say, Christian denomination I am aware of. The fault for the Fall lies with Man (<-just to be old fashioned), not God, as far as I am aware. And a perfect Creator is under no logical obligation really to make perfect creations at any rate.

    However clever we get with these questions, blind faith dead-bats them all. It astonishes me that we are still debating the superstitions of a 2000-year-old tribe of dusty shepherds.
    I am almost tempted to say "amen".

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