Some help concerning buildings

[Salvor Hardin]

Greetings,

I have been trying to split the caravan building in two different buildings. Here is what I have done so far:

EDB entry:

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building caravans
{
levels caravan frankincense_rd
{
caravan requires factions { eastern, egyptian, carthage, parthia, greek, } and hidden_resource no
{
capability
{
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1
}
construction 3
cost 1600
settlement_min city
upgrades
{
frankincense_rd
}
}
frankincense_rd requires factions { eastern, egyptian, carthage, greek, parthia, } and hidden_resource incense_road
{
capability
{
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 6
}
construction 5
cost 5600
settlement_min large_city
upgrades
{
}
}
}
plugins
{
}
}
building caravans2
{
levels caravan2 silk_rd
{
caravan2 requires factions { eastern, egyptian, carthage, parthia, greek, } and hidden_resource no
{
capability
{
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1
}
construction 3
cost 1600
settlement_min city
upgrades
{
silk_rd
}
}
silk_rd requires factions { eastern, egyptian, carthage, greek, parthia, } and hidden_resource silk_road
{
capability
{
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 8
}
construction 6
cost 6400
settlement_min large_city
upgrades
{
}
}
}
plugins
{
}
}

Export_buildings entry:

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{caravan} Trade Caravan

{caravan_desc} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{caravan_desc_short} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{caravan_barbarian_desc}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan_barbarian_desc_short}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan_carthage_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan_carthage_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan_eastern_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan_eastern_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan_parthia_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan_parthia_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan_egyptian_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan_egyptian_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan_greek_desc}
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{caravan_greek_desc_short}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan_roman_desc}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan_roman_desc_short}
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{frankincense_rd} Spice Road

{frankincense_rd_desc} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{frankincense_rd_desc_short} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{frankincense_rd_barbarian_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_barbarian_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_carthage_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_carthage_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_eastern_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_eastern_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_parthia_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_parthia_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_egyptian_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_egyptian_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_greek_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_greek_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.

{frankincense_rd_roman_desc}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. That the spice has to be carried across the world to gain these riches is unimportant. The 'Spice Road' trade route from the East brings some of this trading wealth to a town.\n\nSpices - thanks to their rarity - are a valuable, transportable commodity, and their use is a sign of sophistication and wealth. The demand for exotic tastes and flavours cannot be sated, even by the many camel loads of spice that make the risky journey West. \n\nA Spice Road trading route can be upgraded as the city increases in size.

{frankincense_rd_roman_desc_short}
A handful of nutmeg can make a man wealthy for the rest of his days. The 'Spice Road' trade route to the East brings some of this wealth to a town.



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{caravan2} Trade caravan2

{caravan2_desc} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_desc_short} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_barbarian_desc}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_barbarian_desc_short}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_carthage_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan2_carthage_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan2_eastern_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan2_eastern_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan2_parthia_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan2_parthia_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan2_egyptian_desc}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement. Exotic goods from as far away as the Indus and China reach the Mediterranean world carried on the backs of long camel trains. \n\nA Caravan can be upgraded as the settlement grows in size and importance.

{caravan2_egyptian_desc_short}
Goods from the mysterious East are carried across the trackless wastes by a Caravan, increasing the trading wealth of the settlement.

{caravan2_greek_desc}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_greek_desc_short}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_roman_desc}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

{caravan2_roman_desc_short}
WARNING! This text should never appear on screen!

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{silk_rd} Silk Road

{silk_rd_desc} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{silk_rd_desc_short} WARNING! This baseline short description should never appear on screen!

{silk_rd_barbarian_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_barbarian_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_carthage_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_carthage_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_eastern_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_eastern_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_parthia_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_parthia_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_egyptian_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_egyptian_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_greek_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_greek_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

{silk_rd_roman_desc}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Silks are only part of the trade: rare spices, ivory, precious gems and all kinds of exotic items are carried in camel loads to be traded in the West. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade, and their wealth trickles down through society. It can also be lucratively taxed, because 'protecting' all that wealth can be an expensive business!

{silk_rd_roman_desc_short}
The 'Silk Road' trade route brings all the finest of goods from the distant East to a city. Men can grow fabulously rich on the proceeds of this trade.

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Also on export_buildings:

{caravans_name}
Caravans - improve taxable trade income 

{caravans2_name}
Caravans - improve taxable trade income

Right now I am getting an errorless CTD so I am thinking of some problem in the export_buildings file. But, as you can see, I have copied the entry from caravan to caravan2, identically!

Things that I have not done and that I think some more experienced modder could help me with:
- Add the UI pictures for the buildings
- Change the export_descr_buildins_enum file. As far as I know, the enum files are no longer necessary with the 1.5. engine. But I am really bad with buildings so...who knows?

I have not made any other modifications to the game, by the way.

Thanks in advance.

[Aradan]

Have you outcommented one of the two lines mentioning carthaginian in the descr_ui_buildings.txt?

[Ramashan]

I did have CTD's when I tried adding buildings but not UI cards. I think you need to have an associated UI card with all the buildings in the game.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13734

Read step 2

[CaesarVincens]

In 1.5/1.6 at least, the game generates a generic UI card, so thats not the problem.
Instead, it is probably as Aradan said, the problem in descr_ui_buildings with Carthage.

[Ramashan]

In 1.5/1.6 at least, the game generates a generic UI card, so thats not the problem.

Hmm, this was not my experience nor what I was told to believe while editing buildings and getting CTD's without adding cards and none after they were added. But perhaps it was a problem someplace else that I was unaware of. And yes, I have 1.5

[Squid]

The game will generate a generic UI card, as long as you don't regenerate map.rwm, in which case you get a CTD.

Aradan pointed this out over at the org.

[DaVinci]

The game will generate a generic UI card, as long as you don't regenerate map.rwm, in which case you get a CTD.

Aradan pointed this out over at the org.

Wait, does this mean, that if you code a camp map change and remove map.rwm, the game would ctd when you've parallel added a building without an explicite ui card? I never experienced this, as far as i can remember ... but i'm a bit confused now about this comment above.

Aradan, can you explain this in detail?

[CaesarVincens]

Hmm... Interesting. That's good to know.

[Salvor Hardin]

In the end, it was the silly descr_ui_buildings.txt file. Thanks to all of you, guys.

[Aradan]

tbh I'm not sure how the two are connected, I just noticed this now that you 'bumped' it.
Squid, are the two sentences connected or are they addressing two different issues? I can't remember making such a comment on this. :S

[DaVinci]

Assuming, he misunderstood something.

Any ui card things should be unrelated to camp coding and anyway, the game should create always a generic placeholder if not having explicite tga's added. If the game ctd's when added a new building, it has another reason, just not ui cards.

[dvk901]

Assuming, he misunderstood something.

Any ui card things should be unrelated to camp coding and anyway, the game should create always a generic placeholder if not having explicite tga's added. If the game ctd's when added a new building, it has another reason, just not ui cards.

This is not true, and I have proven it to my own hair-pulling satisfaction many times. You can have every line and letter right in your code, NO UI card in the UI folders, and it will load fine and use a 'generic' building cards as long as you don't regenerate the map. But as soon as you do that, your building will no longer work. My guess is that when you regenerate map.rwm, the .exe parses thru all the UI cards to ensure that they are there so they can be displayed when the campaign loads. It's a one time thing called 'world creation', and ONLY happens when the map regenerates. I've seen similiar 'annoyances' with a 'descr_rebel_factions.txt' mistake, where I had a no longer existing unit in it. The game worked fine UNTIL I regenerated map.rwm...at which point this file is 're-parsed' and the game CTD's showing the erroneous unit.

Apparently, however, RTW is much less forgiving when it comes to buildings and their related parts when it comes to 'world creation'.

[Squid]

The two are related, I'd have to go find the thread over at the org, though it could be my memory is faulty.