Can't build watchtowers

[Stylix]

Has anybody else had trouble building watchtowers or forts, especially in North Africa? I have experienced this numerous times and it is getting aggravating.

I read on another forum that this is caused by flooding in a region. After a flood event takes place, forts and watchtowers can not be built in that region. This also seems to affect road movement. The only work around seems to be disabling flood events.

[wngpooniii]

actually i was about to post a new thread about that. i have the same problem in the southwestern settle in africa (forget the name). it just wont let me build anything in that province.

[Stylix]

actually i was about to post a new thread about that. i have the same problem in the southwestern settle in africa (forget the name). it just wont let me build anything in that province.

I've had problems in that region also, in a previous campaign. I will disable floods in my next campaign and see if that makes any difference.

[Stylix]

@wngpooniii,

Was that region Mekka? I started a new campaign and was able to build watchtowers and forts in the regions I was unable to before, including Mekka. It appears that they can be built at start and then some event (flood perhaps) prevents any more from being built. I will experiment more.

[wngpooniii]

no i dont know about mekka, im in a spanish campaign and my problem is with arguin, the most southwestern province in africa.

on the side note, you and i have the exact number of posts.

[Stylix]

@wngpooniii,

I am playing as Portugal now and am about to invade Arguin. My problem was with Merrakesh. I started a campaign as the Moors (as an experiment) and was able to build in this region. I then moved my commander and an army to Mekka (where I previously had problems) and was able to build there after taking it. As Portugal, I will see if I can build in Arquin after I take it, but I doubt it. I had played before and could not build in this region. Some other regions I had the same problem were: Mosul, Cagliari, Tarabulus, Cordoba and Timbuktu.

Interesting coincidence with the posts.

[Stylix]

Captured Arquin and cannot build forts or castles there. I can however, build them in Timbuktu.

[Dave Scarface]

This is not something caused by my own modifications in KGCM. Like the resources in unreachable places that I fixed, these are bugs from the old Bigmap. I am not sure how to fix this strange problem with watch towers to be honest. Any suggestions are welcome.

Dave

[Stylix]

@dave,

Yes, this is something I do remember from the vanilla version, long before I discovered your mod (which I now play exclusively).

In my next campaign I will disable floods (at least) and see if that makes any difference. All the regions I have had trouble with work fine on at least the first turn. Something triggers this aggravating occurance. Why it only affects certain regions I am not sure, but may have to do with climate or terrain type.

I started this thread hoping that someone had addressed this problem and maybe had a work around. I will continue to research it.

[Stylix]

Well I think there may be something to the flood event theory. A flood occured in Timbuktu while under my control and suddenly I could no longer build watchtowers or forts and road movement was slowed to the point that I believe that roads have no bonuses. A few turns later a flood occured in Arquin, another region under my control and one where previously I suffured from the same effects. After the flood I was able to build said improvements and road movement improved to the point where it should be, in a region where I previously could not. It must be some kind of toggle triggered by the flood event and is defective. I think the flood effects were intended to last for either just one turn or a short period of time and get stuck until another flood. At this moment I still plan to disable floods in future campaigns, as the only solution I see at this point.

[CeltiberoMordred]

Well I think there may be something to the flood event theory. A flood occured in Timbuktu while under my control and suddenly I could no longer build watchtowers or forts and road movement was slowed to the point that I believe that roads have no bonuses. A few turns later a flood occured in Arquin, another region under my control and one where previously I suffured from the same effects. After the flood I was able to build said improvements and road movement improved to the point where it should be, in a region where I previously could not. It must be some kind of toggle triggered by the flood event and is defective. I think the flood effects were intended to last for either just one turn or a short period of time and get stuck until another flood. At this moment I still plan to disable floods in future campaigns, as the only solution I see at this point.

Please, tell us if this issue dissapear disabling floods.

Thanks in advance

[Koljan]

I remember playing the retrofit mod once and i was not able to build watchtowers in north Africa as well.

If I recall correctly, there are several types of terrain in that area, one of them is "textured" with small squares, in representation of fields.

I believe the consistency of the inability to build watchtower was related to the terrain type.

Perhaps when Dave was making the new map he used the old as a basis and painted over the different types of terrain textures with the same one, disabling us to see the difference.

This is a 2:30 am theory from the top of my head using some old memories.
99% im wrong.

-Koljan.

[harsivo]

I really think those disasters make regions where you cant build watchtowers or forts, because I had 2 regions (Egypt area) where I did build some watchtowers, one region had earthquake, and second had some kind of disaster too, maybe it was flash of flood, and now I cant build those towers anymore.....

And in SW corner of map there was area where I could not build towers when I captured it, now I have 3 areas without towerbuilding, and I usually make those towers alot

This thing seems to slow down movement too where it happens.....

How to disable earthquakes and floods? I wont miss them....

[harsivo]

Little update, when I started playing again, suddenly I could build towers to that earhquake area again, but in that flash of flood area cant, maybe only those flash of floods make towerbuilding impossible??

[Stylix]

Update on my experiences. I disabled floods in my last campaign and encountered no problems with the fort/watchtower building. However, I was playing as Norway so I was never in any of the problem regions. I am going to start a new campaign with a faction in that region today, with floods disabled and will see how that goes.

[pwf224]

Can you diable floods seperately from earthquakes and the like? aka keep earthquakes and nix floods.

[Harry Lime]

It's floods that cause the inability to build watchtowers, the game still thinks the region is flooded even when the event is over. It also slows down movement on the campaign map. To disable them you'll need to edit the Modname/data/world/maps/base/descr_disasters txt. as shown...

event		flood
frequency	10
winter		false
summer		false
warning		false

.

I think you have to delete the map.rwm file & let it regenerate by starting a new campaign. I could be wrong about that though as I delete that file a lot when mapping

[Dave Scarface]

@Harry,

Thanks for clearing that one up mate

I better get to work and fix this up right now!

cheers,
Dave

[Stylix]

I just edited the file to look like this:

;event flood
;frequency 10
;winter false
;summer false
;warning false
;climate swamp
;climate unused1
;min_scale 2
;max_scale 5

All I added (changed) was the semicolon in front of each line. I assume that makes the lines remarks.

After playing 22 turns as the Moors, I have had no problems. I even used some console commands to move an army to Mekka (another region I had problems with), took the region and checked to see if there was any problems. None detected.

I'm not sure if Harry is saying to remove everything after what he show's or not. Otherwise his illustration is exactly like the original file I had before editing.

[Harry Lime]

@Stylix

No, don't remove everything after my example (or before ) I was only showing the part that needed to be changed. Your way would work as well... The original file wouldn't have looked the same otherwise floods wouldn't have happened & we wouldn't be having this discussion .

Here is the same section from an unaltered KGCM descr_disaster file..

event		flood
frequency	10
winter		false
summer		true
warning		false
climate		swamp
climate		unused1
min_scale	2
max_scale	5