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    I think we should be more critical with the number of those huge cities. Then those huge cities have also more meaning to the game and the player. Here some suggestions and speculations.

    Thermon - an ancient Greek sanctuary that served as the regular meeting place of the Aetolian League, but was not a city in the sense of a built-up urban centre like Athens or Corinth; NOT so huge city.

    Mattium - If we are going to give Germans any huge cities, I think it should be only Mattium or Teutoburgum, not two huge cities. In some of the northern regions there were probably more forests than people at the timeframe of this game. If and when the Germanic tribes had any extra population they prefered to move south and west looking for a new territories rather than start to build big cities in the middle of the forests.

    It is also good to think about agricultural productivity and those settlements that are located in particularly harsh enviroments. If the settlements like Kashgar, Siwa and Palmyra were basically oasis cities, then shouldn´t the size of the oasis set certain natural limits to their growth despite their importance?

    In Sicily Syracuse was naturally a huge city, but how about Messena and Lilybaeum then? Should they be huge cities too?

    There are also quite a lot huge cities in Anatolia, I think at least Cyzicus of Mysia, Halicarnasus of Caria, and Ancyra of Galatia should belong those smaller cities.

    What comes to those Persian huge cities, the current ones (Ecbatana, Istakhr, Merv, Harmozia, Hecatompylos) should be quite enough to support the gameplay.

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    In terms of realism, I don't think there has ever been much of a settlement near the supposed location of the Battle of Teutoburg, so I would suggest Mattium over Teutoburgum.

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    I've cut Messana and Lilybaeum from the huge cities, and I will probably cut a city from Germania too. And I don't want too many huge cities in any one area, about five cites per region at the most.

    Expand your borders, a mod based on XGM 5.

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    There are currently 3 settlement which historically should not be huge city but I proposed to be as they have special temples which are Carna(site of Kaabah of Mecca), Siwa(site of Oracle of Zeus Amon), and maybe Thermon(Site of Oracle of Delphi). As they need huge city to fully upgrade its building trees so I proposed it to be huge but if have other solution then I would change my proposal. Could we ask DimeBagHo to divide this two/three special building's trees into 2 or 3 more temples? Maybe we should reduce all these temple to 2 level and then bring back Gebel Barkal(2 Level), and/or Baalbek-Heliopolis(full 4 level) and/or Oracle of Apollo Pythios at Gortyna(2 level).
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    Here is the current list of regions with what should be able to build huge city. "[yes]" is the region which have already include in newest version of Extended Culture. Please tell me if you have any place to add. The catagory "maybe" are need more discuss before change into "yes" or "no". Catagory "no/maybe" is the substituted in case of need more huge city in that region.
    Code:
    Province			Settlement		Region		Huge City	population		
    
    (briton)
    1)Tribus_Brigantes		Isurium			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    2)Cuinnacht			Emain_Macha		briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    3)Tribus_Trinovantes		Camulodunum		briton		[yes]			>10,000(Post-Boudica)(as Londinium could archive it and for gameplay reason as capital of Britannia/place of special temple "Stonehenge)(by Archbaker, Suppanut)
    4)Caledonia			Atauna			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    
    (germanic)
    5)Cimbrica			Hafnia			germanic	no			(still not exist at that time)(by Archbaker)
    6)Locus_Aestii			Vicus_Aestii		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    7)Locus_Fenni			Vicus_Fenni		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    8)Locus_Rugii			Rugium			germanic	no/maybe		(Today "Darlowo". Although it is and ancient settlement with port and sea commerce but not significant until middle age when commerce in Baltic grew more significant)(by Suppanut)
    9)Tribus_Chauci			Phabiranum		germanic	no/maybe		(Today "Bremen". This settlement not so specially significant during game era as it first mention in romans source in 150 CE)(by Suppanut) 
    10)Tribus_Suebi			Teutoburgum		germanic	[yes](should be no)	(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Externsteine" in XGM 5.8.X)(by CaesarVincens)
    11)Tribus_Volcae		Sumelocenna		germanic	no			(originally this town was build in 98 CE by Romans as fort against Alamanni who destroy it in year 259-260 CE)(by Suppanut)
    12)Locus_Venedae		Vicus_Venedae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    13)Tribus_Tissagetae		Vicus_Tissagetae	germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    14)Tribus_Cherusci		Tulisurgium		germanic	?			???(find no significant data)
    15)Tribus_Chattii		Mattium			germanic	yes			(Capital of the Chatti, one of the largest town in the north)(by Archbaker)
    16)Nurthralandan		Burgaz_Sueones		germanic	?			???(find no significant data)
    17)Locus_Careotae		Vicus_Careotae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    
    (iberia)
    18)Gallaecia			Tyde			iberia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    19)Celtiberia			Numantia		iberia		no			(4,000-8,000 during Celtiberian rule and not so sophisticated city during Roman rule)(by Suppanut)
    20)Lusitania			Oxtraca			iberia		maybe			???(find no significant data)
    21)Bastetania			Carthago_Nova		iberia		[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    22)Turdetania			Gadir			iberia		yes			(to support Special temple "Pillars of Herakles")(by Suppanut)
    23)Baliares			Bocchoris		iberia		no			(Palma was the port used for destinations in Africa and Hispania, no important role in commercial and Strategic on their own(except their slingers))(by Suppanut)
    24)Beribracia			Saguntum		iberia		yes			(area with high civilized influence in Iberia)(by Suppanut)
    25)Carpetania			Baikor			iberia		maybe			???(find no significant data)
    26)Cantabria			Iruna			iberia		no/maybe		(Found in 75-74 BC by Romans. Although it can not be considered one of the outstanding cities of Roman Hispania, recent archaeological excavations have revealed a quite high degree of development.)(by Suppanut)
    27)Tartesania			Arsa			iberia		maybe			???(find no significant data)
    28)Asturia			Pallantia		iberia		no			(The fortified Celtiberian settlement, was rendered as Pallantia, chief town of the Vaccaei. The city was starved into submission in the second century BCE and incorporated into the Roman province of Hispania Tarraconensis. Though the little Roman garrison city was an active mint, it was insignificant compared to the Roman villas of Late Antiquity in the surrounding territory.)(by Suppanut)
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		yes			(greek colony with high civilized influence)(by Suppanut)
    
    (gauls)
    30)Locus_Lugii			Carrodunum		gauls		no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "The Sleza and Radunia Complex" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    31)Belgica			Samarobriva		gauls		no			(Today Amiens, the Roman Samarobriva, was the central settlement of the Ambiani, one of the principal tribes of Gaul, who were issuing coinage, probably from Amiens, in the first century BCE.)(by Suppanut)
    32)Armorica			Darioritum		gauls		no/maybe			(Darioritum (first name of Vannes) was founded in the first century BC by the Romans.As the Venetii gain civitas so this city become capital of the area.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Carnac Stones")(by Suppanut)
    33)Sequania			Vesontio		gauls		no			(First recorded in the journals of Julius Caesar as the largest town of the Sequani, a smaller Gaulic tribe, in his commentaries detailing his conquest of Gaul; he gave the name of the town as Vesontio (possibly Latinized) and mentions that it was surrounded by a wooden palisade.)(by Suppanut)
    34)Boihaemum			Eburonum		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    35)Tribus_Cotini		Leucaristus		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    37)Noricum			Iuvavum			gauls		no			(The first settlements at Salzburg were apparently begun by the Celts. Around 15 BC the separate settlements were merged into one city by the Romans. At this time the city was called Juvavum and was awarded the status of a Roman municipium in 45 AD. Juvavum developed into an important town of the Roman province of Noricum.)(By Suppanut)
    38)Pannonia			Paetovio		guals		?			???(find no significant data)
    39)Lemovicia			Lemonum			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    40)Lugdinensis			Vienna			gauls		yes			(The oppidum of the Allobroges became a Roman colony about 47 BC under Julius Caesar. Under the early Empire Vienna regained all its former privileges as a Roman colony. Later it became a provincial capital.)(by Suppanut)		
    41)Cisalpine_Gaul		Mediolanium		gauls		yes			?(By Zarax)		
    42)Venetia			Patavium		gauls		yes			(Patavium, Today Padua, claims to be the oldest city in northern Italy. Patavium was inhabited by (Adriatic) Veneti. They were reputed for their excellent breed of horses and the wool of their sheep. Its men fought for the Romans at Cannae. The city was a Roman municipium since 45 BC. It became so powerful that it was reportedly able to raise two hundred thousand fighting men.)(by Suppanut)
    43)Transalpine_Gaul		Massilia		gauls		[yes]			?(By Zarax)		
    44)Narbonensis			Tolosa			gauls		yes			(Tolosa rapidly transformed into one of the major cities of the Roman Empire before the reign of Nero due to thrieve in trade during Imperial rule.)(by Suppanut)
    45)Liguria			Segesta			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    46)Rhaetia			Veldideno		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    47)Tribus_Scordisci		Singidunum		gauls		maybe			(Singidunum reached its height in 86 AD. The legion set up as a square-shaped castrum (fort), the remains of which can be seen today near the northeastern corner of the acropolis. The legion also constructed a bridge over the Sava, connecting Singidunum with Taurunum. The 6,000-strong legion became a major military asset against the continuous threat of the Dacians just across the Danube. Another step the Romans took to help strengthen Singidunum was the settlement of its legion veterans next to the fortress. In time, a large settlement grew out from around the castrum.)(by Suppanut)
    48)Tribus_Eravisci		Aquincum		gauls		yes			(The city had around 30,000-40,000 inhabitants by the end of the 2nd century. People living in the settlement could enjoy the achievements of the Empire, like central heating in the houses, public baths, palaces, or amphitheatres for social events.)(by Suppanut)
    49)Tribus_Nervii		Atuatuca		gauls		no			(Located on the important road linking Cologne to Bavay via the relay of Liberchies, and surrounded by the fertile lands of the Hesbaye region, the settlement quickly became one of the largest Gallo-Roman administrative and military towns in the 1st century.)(by Suppanut)
    50)Aquitania			Burdigala		gauls		no/maybe		(Today Bordeaux. Around 300 BC it was the settlement of a Celtic tribe, the Bituriges Vivisci, who named the town Burdigala.The city fell under Roman rule around 60 BC, its importance lying in the commerce of Tin and Lead towards Rome. Later it became capital of Roman Aquitaine, flourishing especially during the Severan dynasty (3rd century).)(by Suppanut)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    53)Aulercia			Cenabum			gauls		yes			(Cenabum was the name of an oppidum of the Carnutes tribe, situated on the site of what is now Orléans. It was a prosperous commercial city on the Loire River at the time of Caesar's conquest of Gaul. This port was the commercial outlet for the grain produced in the Beauce. The city had strong fortifications, and also controlled a bridge over the Loire, of considerable economic and strategic importance. It was Cenabum which gave the signal for the Gallic revolt of which Vercingetorix quickly became the head and which was the motivation for Caesar's seventh Gallic campaign. Later Caersar was massacring all the inhabitant and pillaging and burning down the town.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (thrace)
    54)Getia			Buridava		thrace		no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Kogaionon")(by Suppanut)
    55)Scythia_Parva		Tomi			thrace		maybe			(greek colony with high civilized influence)(by Suppanut)
    56)Thrace			Seutopolis		thrace		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)	
    57)Dardania			Sardica			thrace		no			(Sofia was originally a Thracian settlement called Serdica. Around 500 BC another tribe settled in the region, the Odrysi, known as an ethnos with their own kingdom. Around AD 29, Serdica was conquered by the Romans.When Emperor Diocletian divided the province of Dacia into Dacia Ripensis (at the banks of the Danube) and Dacia Mediterranea, Serdica became the capital of Dacia Mediterranea. The city subsequently expanded for a century and a half, it became a significant political and economical centre. Serdica was of moderate size, but magnificent as an urban concept of planning and architecture, with abundant amusements and an active social life.)(by Suppanut)
    58)Propontis			Byzantium		thrace		[yes]			(site of later Constantinople, the city of man desired)(by Archbaker)
    59)Thrace_Minor			Amphipolis		thrace		no			(Amphipolis one of the main stops on the Macedonian royal road to Thrace and later Roman Road which crossed the southern Balkans. After the final victory of Rome over Macedonia in 168 BC, Amphipolis became the capital one of the four mini-republics which were created by the Romans out of the kingdom of the Antigonids and gradually incorporated into the Roman client state, and later province, of Thracia.)(by Suppanut)
    60)Moesia			Naissus			thrace		no			(The city's early name under the Roman Empire remained Naissus, which is the Latin name derived from its original name Naissos ("city of the nymphs"), a Greek colony founded in antiquity. Naissus is a possible location of Nysa, a mythical place in Greek mythology where the young god Dionysus was raised. At the time of the conquest of the Greeks by Rome, Naissos was used as a base for operations but no other non-religious significant.)(by Suppanut)
    61)Tribus_Bastarnae		Vibantavarium		thrace		no			(too small)(by Suppanut)
    62)Dacia			Sarmizegetusa		thrace		no			(Sarmisegetuza was the most important Dacian military, religious and political centre. Sarmizegetusa had a sacred precinct—among the most important and largest circular and rectangular Dacian sanctuaries the famous Circular Calendar Sanctuary is included. The civilians lived around the fortress, down the mountain on man-made terraces. Dacian nobility had flowing water, brought through ceramic pipes, in their residences. The archaeological inventory found at the site shows that Dacian society had a high standard of living. The Roman conquerors established a military garrison there. Later, the capital of Roman Dacia was named after the Dacian capital—Colonia Ulpia Traiana Augusta Dacica Sarmizegetusa, established 40 km from the ruined Dacian capital. This second city was the biggest city in Roman Dacia, with a partly conserved forum, an amphitheatre, and several temples. The city was destroyed by the Goths.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (illyria)
    63)Illyria			Aemona			illyria		no			(Aemona was one of the main cities on the eastern coast of the Adriatic. Recent research seems to indicate that Aemona was actually the easternmost city of the Roman empire proper. Aemona was likely a colony founded by veterans of the Illyricum campaigns. The soldiers were not happy with the quality of these non-Italian land payment.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    
    (steppe)
    65)Tribus_Siracae		Campus_Siracae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    66)Tribus_Alanni		Campus_Alanni		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    67)Tribus_Roxolani		Campus_Roxolani		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    68)Tribus_Neuri			Vicus_Neuri		Steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    69)Maeotis			Tanais			steppe		yes			(large civilized influence in city)(by Archbaker)
    70)Scythia			Olbia			steppe		yes			(large civilized influence in city)(by Archbaker)
    71)Tribus_Budinai		Vicus_Budinai		steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    72)Tribus_Iazyges		Campus_Iazyges		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    73)Tribus_Legae			Campus_Legae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    74)Tribus_Aorsi			Campus_Aorsi		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    75)Tribus_Iirkai		Campus_Iirkai		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    
    (crimea)
    76)Regnum_Bosphoranum		Panticapaeum		crimea		yes			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    77)Taurica			Neapolis_Scythica	crimea		yes			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    78)Heraclea_Chersonesus		Chersonesos		crimea		no			(Another Greek colony, in the late 2nd century BC Chersonesos became a dependency of the Bosporan Kingdom. It was subject to Rome from the middle of the 1st century BC until the 370s AD, when it was captured by the Huns.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (east steppe)
    79)Tribus_Massagetae		Campus_Massagetae	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    80)Chorasmia			Khiva			east steppe	no			(No city name Khiva until 6 century CE although had "Khwarezm" since early of Iranian history.)(by Suppanut)
    81)Sogdiana			Maracanda		east steppe	yes			(silk road and seat of satrap, later become Samarkand)(by Archbaker)
    82)Tribus_Dahae			Nisa			east steppe	[yes]			(Parthian Capital with fairly culturally advanced city)(by Archbaker)
    83)Tocharia			Gushan			east steppe	?			???
    84)Tribus_Yuezhe		Kashgar			east steppe	no			(Oasis settlement)(part of classic world, old and influenctial city of silk road)(by Archbaker)
    85)Wusun			Chighu			east steppe	no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Petrogliphs Sanctuaries of Semirechye" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    86)Amyrgia			Campus_Amyrgicum	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    87)Tribus_Sakae			Campus_Sakae		east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    88)Chach			Kangha			east steppe	no			(Today Tashkent, Kangha started as an oasis on the Chirchik River, near the foothills of the Golestan Mountains. In ancient times, this area contained Beitian, probably the summer "capital" of the Kangju confederacy but not significant on regional/global state until 7th century CE as develop of irrigation/comcerce in the area.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (armenia)
    89)Colchis			Kotais			armenia		no/maybe		(Kutaisi was the capital of the ancient Kingdom of Colchis.)(by Archbaker)
    90)Atropatene			Phraaspa		armenia		no/maybe		???(by Archbaker)
    91)Armenia_Maior		Armavir			armenia		yes			(Armavir was inhabited from the 5th-6th millennium BC onwards. Various obsidian instruments, bronze objects and pottery have been found from that period. King Argishtis I of Urartu built a fortress in the area and named it Argishtikhinili. In 331 BC when Armenia reasserted its independence under the Orontid Dynasty from the Achaemenid Empire, Armavir was chosen as the capital of Armenia.)(to support Special temple "Karahunj")(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    92)Iberia			Mtskheta		armenia		no			(Mtskheta was a capital of the Georgian Kingdom of Iberia during the 3rd century BC - 5th century AD. No other significant in this era.)(by Suppanut)
    93)Albania			Albana			armenia		no			(Small client Kingdom to Armenia with history of friecely fight to protect their home.)(by Suppanut)
    94)Sophene			Amida			armenia		no			(The city was called Amida when the region was under the rule of the Roman (from 66 BC) and the succeeding Byzantine Empires. It once was the seat of the Church of the East Patriarch and thus an Assyrian or Syriac stronghold that produced many famous Syriac theologians and Patriarchs. No other significant thing in that era.)(by Suppanut)
    95)Armenia_Minor		Satala			armenia		no			(City was built by roman in year 115 after their annexation from Armenia by Rome.)(by Suppanut)
    96)Armenia			Thospia			armenia		[yes]			(Other name is Van, important city with very heavy fortification and control pass of trade route)(by CaesarVincens)
    
    (anatolia)
    97)Paphlagonia			Sinope			anatolia	yes			(Important local power with its own colony)(by Archbaker)
    98)Cappadocia			Mazaka			anatolia	[yes]			(very old city with location on silk road)(by Archbaker)
    99)Amastris			Sesamus			anatolia	no			(On a coin of the time of Trajan, Amastris has the title Metropolis. It continued to be a town of some note to the seventh century of our era.)(by Suppanut)
    100)Bithynia			Nicomedia		anatolia	[yes]			(Important city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    101)Galatia			Ancyra			anatolia	no			(by Archbaker)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    103)Lydia			Sardis			anatolia	yes			(great city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    104)Caria			Halicarnasus		anatolia	no			(famous and site of one of 7 wonders but naver full recovered from Alexander's conquest)(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    105)Pontus_Minor		Trapezus		anatolia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    106)Phrygia			Ipsus			anatolia	no			(A village on the crossroad in Phrygia(which lost important part to Galatia) which site the battle that cause break up of Diadochi war.)(by Suppanut)
    107)Pamphylia			Side			anatolia	yes			(Moderately large, quite wealthy and partly independent city with strong Hellenistic culture.)(by Archbaker)
    108)Pontus			Amasia			anatolia	[yes]			(Hellenistic Pontic capitol.)(by Archbaker)
    
    (italy)
    109)Etruria			Arretium		italy		yes			(the third largest city in Italy in the Augustan period)(by Suppanut)
    110)Umbria			Ariminum		italy		yes			(Large growth under Augustus.)(by Archbaker)
    111)Latium			Rome			italy		[yes]			600,000(end of games)
    112)Calabria			Tarentum		italy		yes			(Important Comercial city which once a serious enemy of Rome.)(by Archbaker)
    113)Campania			Capua			italy		[yes]			(A notoriously large and wealthy town in a densely populated part of Italia.)(by Archbaker)
    114)Bruttium			Croton			italy		no			(Once glorius for Pythagorean school, Olympic superpower and a considerable city, with twelve miles of walls, but after the Pyrrhic War, half the city was deserted (Livy 24.3). What was left of its population submitted to Rome in 277 BC.)(by Suppanut)
    115)Apulia			Cannae			italy		no			(An unimportant Roman town which site the one of the most famous battle.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (persia)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    117)Margiana			Merv			persia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    120)Drangiana			Neh			persia		no			???(find no significant data)
    121)Persis			Istakhr			persia		yes			(to support Special temple "The Site of Persepolis")(by Suppanut)
    122)Carmania			Harmozia		persia		yes			(Important port in Persian Gulf/Indian Oceans which very fertile farmland and Strategic location)(by Suppanut)
    123)Aria			Phra			persia		no			(Aria was an Old Persian satrapy which in antiquity was considered as particularly fertile and, above all, rich in wine.)(by Suppanut)
    124)Astauene			Asaak			persia		no			(Capital of Astauene, site of Arsaces I crowning according to Isidore of Charax. It is in modern Iran near Kuchan in the upper Atrek river valley.)(by Suppanut)
    125)Parthyene			Hecatompylos		persia		yes			(The Parni tribe took the city around 238 BCE and made it one of the first capitals of their Parthian Empire. It was mentioned as the royal city of the Parthians by a number of classical writers including Strabo, Pliny, Ptolemy, although the Parthians seemed to have used a number of cities as their "capital" at different periods.)(by Suppanut)
    126)Choarene			Apamea			persia		no			(A Hellenistic city in Media founded by Seleucus I Nicator, near Laodicea (now Nahavand, Iran) and Heraclea. Apamea's precise location is not known, but it is probably in Iran, or, less likely, in Iraq.)(by Suppanut)
    127)Adiabene			Arbela			persia		no			(Site of Gaugamela and early center of Christianity)(by Suppanut)
    
    (hellenic)
    128)Epirus			Ambracia		hellenic	[yes]			(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Dodona")(by Suppanut)
    129)Macedonia			Pella			hellenic	[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    130)Thessalia			Larissa			hellenic	no			(As the chief city of ancient Thessaly(well known for horsemanship), Larissa was directly annexed by Philip II of Macedon in 344, and from then on Larissa was under Macedonian control; in 196 B.C. Larissa became an ally of Rome and was the headquarters of the Thessalian League.)(by Suppanut)
    131)Laconia			Sparta			hellenic	no			(This "Defender of Hellenism" is on gradually decline especially in population.)(by Suppanut)
    132)Attica			Athens			hellenic	[yes]			250,000(beginning of Hellenistic)-250,000(Roman Empire)(to support Special temple "Acropolis of Athens" and special academy "Plato's Academy")(by many)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(turn into important commercial/industrial center by Romans)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    135)Boeotia			Thebes			hellenic	no			(city doesn't fully recovered until middle age)(by Suppanut)
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	yes			(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    137)Aeolis			Pergamum		hellenic	[yes]			120,000-150,000(to support Special academy "Library of Pergamum")(by Suppanut)
    138)Mysia			Cyzicus			hellenic	no			(City loyal to Pegamum and later Rome. Chief city of Mysia. Under Roman Emperor Tiberius it was incorporated with the empire, but remained the capital of Mysia, afterwards of Hellespontus, and became one of the greatest cities in the ancient world.)(by Suppanut)
    139)Ionia			Ephesus			hellenic	yes			90,000(100 AD)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)	
    140)Rhodos			Rhodes			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(By Zarax)
    
    (Mediterranean)
    141)Sardinia			Caralis			Sardinia	no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    142)Sicilia_Graecus		Syracuse		sicily		[yes]			300,000(By Zarax)
    143)Sicilia_Romanus		Messana			sicily		[yes](should be no)	(Known for good natural harbour. In Roman times Messana had an important pharos (lighthouse). Messana was the base of Sextus Pompeius, during his war against Octavian.)(by CaesarVincens)
    144)Sicilia_Poeni		Lilybaeum		sicily		[yes](should be no)	(Lilybaeum, the principal stronghold of the Carthaginians in Sicily. Neither Pyrrhus nor the Romans were able to reduce it by siege, but it was surrendered to the latter in 241 BC at the end of the First Punic War as a condition of the peace treaty. In the later wars it was a starting point for the Roman expeditions against Carthage, and under Roman rule it enjoyed considerable prosperity.)(by CaesarVincens)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		no/maybe		(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    146)Crete			Kydonia			crete		no/maybe		(Kydonia was an important ancient city-state on the northwest coast of the island of Crete. It is at the site of the modern-day Greek city of Khania. Cydonia was constantly at war with other Cretan city-states such as Aptera, Falasarna and Polyrrinia.(by Suppanut)
    147)Corsica			Aleria			cosica		no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    
    (arabia)
    148)Sinai			Petra			arabia		no			20,000(during roman ruled)	
    149)Nabataea			Bostra			arabia		no			(Bosra was the first Nabatean city in the 2nd century BC. The Nabatean Kingdom was conquered by Roman in 106. Under the Roman Empire, Bosra was capital of the Roman province Arabia Petraea. The city flourished and became a major metropolis at the juncture of several trade routes, including the Roman road to the Red Sea.)(By Suppanut)
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		yes			(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    151)Saba			Mariaba			arabia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    152)Qataban			Tamna			arabia		no/maybe		(The capital of Qataban was named Timna and was located on the trade route which passed through the other kingdoms of Hadramaut, Sheba and Ma'in. It was the most prominent Yemeni kingdom in the 2nd half of the 1st millennium BCE, when its ruler held the title of the South Arabian hegemon, MKRB.)(by Suppanut)
    153)Hadramaut			Sabata			arabia		no/maybe		???
    154)Locus_Gerraei		Gerra			arabia		no			(Gerrha was the center of an Arab kingdom from approximately 650 BC to circa 300 AD)
    155)Maketa			Omana			arabia		no			(One of the earliest Roman historians to mention Oman is Yalainous, who lived from 23-79 AD. He presents in his writings a city which he names Omana. This name also recurs in Ptolemy. Some historians identify this Omana of Ptolemy as the city of Sohar, which was the pre-eminent trading center of Arabia in the classical age of Islam.)(by Suppanut)
    156)Zufar			Ubar			arabia		no			(lost city in Arab legend just rediscovered by NASA satellites in 1980s.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (levant)
    157)Assyria			Hatra			levant		maybe			(Hatra was founded as an Assyrian city by the Seleucid Empire[1] some time in the 3rd century BCE. A religious and trading centre of the Parthian empire, it flourished during the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Hatra became an important fortified frontier city and withstood repeated attacks by the Roman Empire.)(by Suppanut)
    158)Syria			Antioch			levant		[yes]			500,000(to support Special temple "The Resort of Daphne at Antioch")(by Suppanut)
    159)Regnum_Palmyrae		Palmyra			levant		no			(Oasis settlement)(Palmyra has long been a vital caravan city for travellers crossing the Syrian desert and was known as the Bride of the Desert. Palmyra was made part of the Roman province of Syria during the reign of Tiberius (14–37). It steadily grew in importance as a trade route linking Persia, India, China, and the Roman empire.)(by Suppanut)
    160)Phoenicia			Sidon			levant		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    161)Coele_Syria			Damascus		levant		yes			(oldest settlement which people still living in, significant during pre-Alexander and Roman Empire eras)(by Suppanut)
    162)Judaea			Jerusalem		levant		[yes]			200,000(before fall of second temple, 70 AD)(to support Special temple "The Second Temple of Yahweh at Jerusalem")(by Suppanut)
    
    (mesopotamia)
    163)Babylonia			Seleucia		mesopotamia	[yes]			200,000-250,000(to support 7 wonders)(by Suppanut)
    164)Elymais			Susa			mesopotamia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    165)Characene			Charax			mesopotemia	maybe			(Charax was a rich port with ships arriving regularly from Gerrha, Egypt, India, and beyond. It was also the beginning of the overland trade route from the Persian Gulf to Petra and Palmyra. It became a centre for Arab trade, largely controlled by the Nabataeans, at least until they became assimilated by the Romans in 106 CE.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (west africa)
    166)Mauretania_Tingitana	Tingi			west africa	no			(Tingi is an ancient Phoenician town, founded by Carthaginian colonists in the early 5th century BC. The commercial town of Tingis came under Roman rule in the course of the 1st century BC, first as a free city and then, under Augustus, a colony, capital of Mauritania Tingitana of Hispania.)(by Suppanut)
    167)Numidia			Cirta			west africa	no/maybe		(Capital of Kingdom of Numidia, not only was Cirta an important economic site, it was also a key political and military spot within the African kingdoms. Caesar's conquest of Northern Africa officially brought Cirta under Roman rule in 46 B.C.)(by Suppanut)
    168)Zeugitana			Carthage		west africa	[yes]			150,000-500,000(3rd punic war)(by many)
    169)Byzacium			Hadrumetum		west africa	yes			(Hadrumetum was one of the most important communities within the Carthaginian territory in northern Africa because of its strategic location on the sea in the heart of the fertile Sahel region. The city allied itself with Rome during the Punic Wars, thereby escaping damage or ruin and entered a relatively peaceful 700-year stint under Pax Romana. Under the Roman Empire it became very prosperous; Trajan gave it the rank of a colonia.)(by Suppanut)
    170)Tripolitania		Lepcis_Magna		west africa	no			(One of the leading cities of Roman Africa and a major trading post but gain prominent long later after game period.)(by Suppanut)
    171)Mauretania_Massaesili	Siga			west africa	?			???
    172)Cydamae			Cydaus			west africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(find no significant data)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	maybe			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    174)Mauretania_Salditana	Saldae			west africa	no			(A minor port in Carthaginian and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    175)Tripolitania_Minor		Sabratha		west africa	no			(Sabratha was the westernmost of the "three cities" of Tripolis. Sabratha's port was established, perhaps about 500 BC, as a Phoenician trading-post that served as a coastal outlet for the products of the African hinterland. Sabratha became part of the short-lived Numidian Kingdom of Massinissa before being Romanized and rebuilt in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (east africa)
    176)Cyrenaica			Cyrene			east africa	[yes]			(The chief town of ancient Libya and established commercial relations with all the Greek cities, reaching the height of its prosperity under its own kings in the 5th century BC. Soon after 460 BC it became a republic; after the death of Alexander the Great (323 BC) it was passed to the Ptolemaic dynasty.)(by CaesarVincens)
    177)Nile_Delta			Alexandria		east africa	[yes]			300,000-600,000(Ptolemaic ruled)-1,000,000(classic peak)(to support 7 wonders)(to support Special academy "Library of Alexandria")(by many)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	maybe			(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
    179)Middle_Egypt		Memphis			east africa	yes			about 100,000(about 430 BC)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)
    180)Thebais			Thebes			east africa	yes			about 50,000(Ptolemaic ruled), 120,000(1000 BC)(to support Special temple "Abu Simbel")(by many)
    181)Marmarica			Paraetonium		east africa	no			(A minor port in Hellenistic and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    182)Nubia			Pselchis		east africa	no			???(find no significant data)
    183)Locus_Blemmye		Campus_Blemmye		east africa	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    184)Kush			Meroe			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Meroë was the southern capital of the Kushite Kingdom, or Napata/Meroitic Kingdom, that spanned the period c. 800 BC - c. 350 AD. Meroe eventually settled down to a healthy trading relationship with Rome and the Mediterranean. However, the kingdom of Meroe began to fade as a power by the first or second century AD, sapped by the war with Roman Egypt and the decline of its traditional industries.)(by Suppanut)
    185)Oasis_Magna			Hibis			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Oasis settlement)(by Suppanut)
    186)Azania			Opone			east africa	no			(In ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea, Azania, the Roman Empire and elsewhere, as it possessed a strategic location along the coastal route from Azania to the Red Sea.)(by Suppanut)
    187)Ethiopia			Axum			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(by Suppanut)
    
    (baktria)
    188)Bactria			Bactra			Baktria		[yes]			(fertile soil and trade route hub)(by LucretiusTC)
    189)Paropamisadae		Kophen			baktria		?			???(find no significant data)	
    
    (india)
    190)Gedrosia			Pura			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    191)Sind			Patala			india		yes			(unknown size but a bit smaller than Taxila. Very significant in commercial as emporium of trade.)(to support Special temple "Learning Center of Taxila")(by Suppanut)
    192)Sattagydia			Opiana			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    193)Gandhara			Taxila			india		yes			(unknown size but assume to be huge due to its significant in economic(crossroad of 3 trade routes), military and culture.)(to support Special temple)(by Suppanut)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (uncapturable)
    195)Gaetulia			Dimmidi			uncapturable
    196)Arabia			Gorda			uncapturable
    Summery
    [yes](included) =35-3(should be "no")=32
    yes(not yet included) =39
    no =83+3(should be "no")=86
    maybe =14
    no/maybe =12
    ?(no data) =11
    uncapturable =2
    total =196
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    I'll be releasing a new version of XC soon, with these new huge cities set. I am not going to implement the huge city restrictions just yet though (it'll be easy enough to do on your own if you want though.)

    I am also going to release a Epirus campaign alpha. I haven't done much work on it yet, and it needs balancing. So I'm hoping I can get a bit of help testing it.

    I figure, between Dime and myself, we can see the provincial campaigns done more quickly.

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    I want to remove Huge city status from Tyde(Gallicia) in Iberia because it quite small compare to Romanized city like Iruna and too far from east and south coast of Iberia where civilized tendency concentrate in.
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    Here is the current list of regions which need to decided for its fate. Please discuss and decide.

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    Province			Settlement		Region		Priority	population		
    
    (germanic)(13)(already have 1 Huge City)
    8)Locus_Rugii			Rugium			germanic	no/maybe		(Today "Darlowo". Although it is and ancient settlement with port and sea commerce but not significant until middle age when commerce in Baltic grew more significant)(by Suppanut)
    9)Tribus_Chauci			Phabiranum		germanic	no/maybe		(Today "Bremen". This settlement not so specially significant during game era as it first mention in romans source in 150 CE)(by Suppanut) 
    
    (iberia)(12)(already have 5 Huge City)
    20)Lusitania			Oxtraca			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    25)Carpetania			Baikor			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    26)Cantabria			Iruna			iberia		yes/maybe		(Found in 75-74 BC by Romans. Although it can not be considered one of the outstanding cities of Roman Hispania, recent archaeological excavations have revealed a quite high degree of development.)(by Suppanut)
    27)Tartesania			Arsa			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    
    (gauls)(24)(already have 9 Huge City)
    32)Armorica			Darioritum		gauls		no/maybe		(Darioritum (first name of Vannes) was founded in the first century BC by the Romans.As the Venetii gain civitas so this city become capital of the area.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Carnac Stones")(by Suppanut)
    34)Boihaemum			Eburonum		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    35)Tribus_Cotini		Leucaristus		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    38)Pannonia			Paetovio		guals		?			???(find no significant data)
    39)Lemovicia			Lemonum			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    45)Liguria			Segesta			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    46)Rhaetia			Veldideno		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    47)Tribus_Scordisci		Singidunum		gauls		no/maybe		(Singidunum reached its height in 86 AD. The legion set up as a square-shaped castrum (fort), the remains of which can be seen today near the northeastern corner of the acropolis. The legion also constructed a bridge over the Sava, connecting Singidunum with Taurunum. The 6,000-strong legion became a major military asset against the continuous threat of the Dacians just across the Danube. Another step the Romans took to help strengthen Singidunum was the settlement of its legion veterans next to the fortress. In time, a large settlement grew out from around the castrum.)(by Suppanut)
    50)Aquitania			Burdigala		gauls		no/maybe		(Today Bordeaux. Around 300 BC it was the settlement of a Celtic tribe, the Bituriges Vivisci, who named the town Burdigala.The city fell under Roman rule around 60 BC, its importance lying in the commerce of Tin and Lead towards Rome. Later it became capital of Roman Aquitaine, flourishing especially during the Severan dynasty (3rd century).)(by Suppanut)
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (thrace)(9)(already have 2 Huge City)
    55)Scythia_Parva		Tomi			thrace		maybe			(greek colony with high civilized influence)(by Suppanut)
    
    (illyria)(2)(already have no Huge City)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    
    (east steppe)(10)(already have 2 Huge City)
    83)Tocharia			Gushan			east steppe	?			???
    
    (armenia)(8)(already have 2 Huge City)
    89)Colchis			Kotais			armenia		no/maybe		(Kutaisi was the capital of the ancient Kingdom of Colchis.)(by Archbaker)
    90)Atropatene			Phraaspa		armenia		no/maybe		???(by Archbaker)
    
    (hellenic)(12)(already have 8 Huge City)
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	yes/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    
    (Mediterranean)(7)(already have 1 Huge City)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		no/maybe		(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    146)Crete			Kydonia			crete		no/maybe		(Kydonia was an important ancient city-state on the northwest coast of the island of Crete. It is at the site of the modern-day Greek city of Khania. Cydonia was constantly at war with other Cretan city-states such as Aptera, Falasarna and Polyrrinia.(by Suppanut)
    
    (arabia)(9)(already have 1 Huge City)
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		yes/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    152)Qataban			Tamna			arabia		no/maybe		(The capital of Qataban was named Timna and was located on the trade route which passed through the other kingdoms of Hadramaut, Sheba and Ma'in. It was the most prominent Yemeni kingdom in the 2nd half of the 1st millennium BCE, when its ruler held the title of the South Arabian hegemon, MKRB.)(by Suppanut)
    153)Hadramaut			Sabata			arabia		no/maybe		???
    
    (levant)(6)(already have 4 Huge City)
    157)Assyria			Hatra			levant		maybe			(Hatra was founded as an Assyrian city by the Seleucid Empire[1] some time in the 3rd century BCE. A religious and trading centre of the Parthian empire, it flourished during the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Hatra became an important fortified frontier city and withstood repeated attacks by the Roman Empire.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (mesopotamia)(3)(already have 2 Huge City)
    165)Characene			Charax			mesopotemia	maybe			(Charax was a rich port with ships arriving regularly from Gerrha, Egypt, India, and beyond. It was also the beginning of the overland trade route from the Persian Gulf to Petra and Palmyra. It became a centre for Arab trade, largely controlled by the Nabataeans, at least until they became assimilated by the Romans in 106 CE.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (west africa)(10)(already have 2 Huge City)
    167)Numidia			Cirta			west africa	no/maybe		(Capital of Kingdom of Numidia, not only was Cirta an important economic site, it was also a key political and military spot within the African kingdoms. Caesar's conquest of Northern Africa officially brought Cirta under Roman rule in 46 B.C.)(by Suppanut)
    171)Mauretania_Massaesili	Siga			west africa	?			???
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	maybe			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (east africa)(12)(already have 4 Huge City)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	yes/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
    
    (baktria)(2)(already have 1 Huge City)
    189)Paropamisadae		Kophen			baktria		?			???(find no significant data)	
    
    (india)(5)(already have 2 Huge City)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)

    Caesar, Zarax, LucretiusTC, Archbaker: Please discuss and decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppanut View Post
    There are currently 3 settlement which historically should not be huge city but I proposed to be as they have special temples which are Carna(site of Kaabah of Mecca), Siwa(site of Oracle of Zeus Amon), and maybe Thermon(Site of Oracle of Delphi). As they need huge city to fully upgrade its building trees so I proposed it to be huge but if have other solution then I would change my proposal. Could we ask DimeBagHo to divide this two/three special building's trees into 2 or 3 more temples? Maybe we should reduce all these temple to 2 level and then bring back Gebel Barkal(2 Level), and/or Baalbek-Heliopolis(full 4 level) and/or Oracle of Apollo Pythios at Gortyna(2 level).
    Okay, if those special buildings need to be in a huge city, then maybe one practical solution could be this. We just have to make sure that they don´t grow too fast to that limit. In Germania Teutoburgum is probably getting a special building (Externsteine), but then we have to keep its population growth also quite moderate, and Mattium should be the other huge city with bigger population.

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    All 6 barbarians' special temple which will include in XGM 5.8.x will have just only 2 level(compare to 4 level of others) so we don't need to concern huge city for these.
    Teutoburgum(Externsteine)
    Carrodunum(The Sleza and Radunia Complex)
    Darioritum(Carnac Stones)
    Buridava(Kogaionon)
    Chighu(Petrogliphs Sanctuaries of Semirechye)

    All we need to concern only in Civilized Special temple(which have 4 level) which happen to be in regions with small city like these.
    Carna(Kaaba of Mecca)
    Siwa(Oracle of Amon of Siwa)
    Thermon(Oracle of Delphi)
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    To tell the truth, I'm not worrying about special temples, so if a city has one and is a huge city, great, if it has one and isn't a huge city, too bad.

    By my count in my unreleased version, there are 57 huge cities, with maybe a couple I'll take off.
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    Maybe we could add Hippo Regius to the list of huge cities. It was originally a Tyrian colony and one of the places where the Numidian kings resided. Later it became a major city in Roman Africa.

    Otherwise we should probably think about the gameplay and if there is need to make any changes in some regions. I think we have covered those most obvious huge cities, but there are some marginal cases...:hmmm:

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    Here is the current list of regions with what should be able to build huge city. "[yes]" is the region which have already include in newest version of Extended Culture. Category "yes" is the proposal to include in next version. The category "maybe" are need more discuss before change into "yes" or "no". Category "no/maybe" is the lesser cases of "maybe" which usually for gameplay reason.
    Code:
    Province			Settlement		Region		Huge City	population		
    
    (briton)(Huge City=1)
    1)Tribus_Brigantes		Isurium			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    2)Cuinnacht			Emain_Macha		briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    3)Tribus_Trinovantes		Camulodunum		briton		[yes]			>10,000(Post-Boudica)(as Londinium could archive it and for gameplay reason as capital of Britannia/place of special temple "Stonehenge)(by Archbaker, Suppanut)
    4)Caledonia			Atauna			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    
    (germanic)(Huge City=1)
    5)Cimbrica			Hafnia			germanic	no			(still not exist at that time)(by Archbaker)
    6)Locus_Aestii			Vicus_Aestii		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    7)Locus_Fenni			Vicus_Fenni		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    8)Locus_Rugii			Rugium			germanic	no			(Today "Darlowo". Although it is and ancient settlement with port and sea commerce but not significant until middle age when commerce in Baltic grew more significant)(by Suppanut)
    9)Tribus_Chauci			Phabiranum		germanic	no			(Today "Bremen". This settlement not so specially significant during game era as it first mention in romans source in 150 CE)(by Suppanut) 
    10)Tribus_Suebi			Teutoburgum		germanic	no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Externsteine" in XGM 5.8.X)(by CaesarVincens)
    11)Tribus_Volcae		Sumelocenna		germanic	no			(originally this town was build in 98 CE by Romans as fort against Alamanni who destroy it in year 259-260 CE)(by Suppanut)
    12)Locus_Venedae		Vicus_Venedae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    13)Tribus_Tissagetae		Vicus_Tissagetae	germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    14)Tribus_Cherusci		Tulisurgium		germanic	no			???(find no significant data)
    15)Tribus_Chattii		Mattium			germanic	[yes]			(Capital of the Chatti, one of the largest town in the north)(by Archbaker)
    16)Nurthralandan		Burgaz_Sueones		germanic	no			???(find no significant data)
    17)Locus_Careotae		Vicus_Careotae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    
    (iberia)(Huge City=3)
    18)Gallaecia			Tyde			iberia		no			(by CaesarVincens)
    19)Celtiberia			Numantia		iberia		no			(4,000-8,000 during Celtiberian rule and not so sophisticated city during Roman rule)(by Suppanut)
    20)Lusitania			Oxtraca			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    21)Bastetania			Carthago_Nova		iberia		[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    22)Turdetania			Gadir			iberia		[yes]			(to support Special temple "Pillars of Herakles")(by Suppanut)
    23)Baliares			Bocchoris		iberia		no			(Palma was the port used for destinations in Africa and Hispania, no important role in commercial and Strategic on their own(except their slingers))(by Suppanut)
    24)Beribracia			Saguntum		iberia		no			(By 219 BC Saguntum was a large and commercially prosperous town, which sided with the local Greek colonists and Rome against Carthage.)(area with high civilized influence in Iberia)(by Suppanut)
    25)Carpetania			Baikor			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    26)Cantabria			Iruna			iberia		[yes]			(Found in 75-74 BC by Romans. Although it can not be considered one of the outstanding cities of Roman Hispania, recent archaeological excavations have revealed a quite high degree of development.)(by Suppanut)
    27)Tartesania			Arsa			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    28)Asturia			Pallantia		iberia		no			(The fortified Celtiberian settlement, was rendered as Pallantia, chief town of the Vaccaei. The city was starved into submission in the second century BCE and incorporated into the Roman province of Hispania Tarraconensis. Though the little Roman garrison city was an active mint, it was insignificant compared to the Roman villas of Late Antiquity in the surrounding territory.)(by Suppanut)
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		maybe			(greek colony with high civilized influence. City even have curia and basilica.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (gauls)(Huge City=5+2)
    30)Locus_Lugii			Carrodunum		gauls		no			(Tody Krakow, oldest settlement in Poland but not so important at that time.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "The Sleza and Radunia Complex" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    31)Belgica			Samarobriva		gauls		no			(Today Amiens, the Roman Samarobriva, was the central settlement of the Ambiani, one of the principal tribes of Gaul, who were issuing coinage, probably from Amiens, in the first century BCE.)(by Suppanut)
    32)Armorica			Darioritum		gauls		no			(Darioritum (first name of Vannes) was founded in the first century BC by the Romans.As the Venetii gain civitas so this city become capital of the area.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Carnac Stones")(by Suppanut)
    33)Sequania			Vesontio		gauls		no			(First recorded in the journals of Julius Caesar as the largest town of the Sequani, a smaller Gaulic tribe, in his commentaries detailing his conquest of Gaul; he gave the name of the town as Vesontio (possibly Latinized) and mentions that it was surrounded by a wooden palisade.)(by Suppanut)
    34)Boihaemum			Eburonum		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    35)Tribus_Cotini		Leucaristus		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		yes			(a Gaulish oppidum or fortified city, was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hillforts in Gaul.)(by CaesarVincens)
    37)Noricum			Iuvavum			gauls		no			(The first settlements at Salzburg were apparently begun by the Celts. Around 15 BC the separate settlements were merged into one city by the Romans. At this time the city was called Juvavum and was awarded the status of a Roman municipium in 45 AD. Juvavum developed into an important town of the Roman province of Noricum.)(By Suppanut)
    38)Pannonia			Paetovio		guals		?			???(find no significant data)
    39)Lemovicia			Lemonum			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    40)Lugdinensis			Vienna			gauls		no			(The oppidum of the Allobroges became a Roman colony about 47 BC under Julius Caesar. Under the early Empire Vienna regained all its former privileges as a Roman colony. Later it became a provincial capital.)(by Suppanut)		
    41)Cisalpine_Gaul		Mediolanium		gauls		[yes]			?(By Zarax)		
    42)Venetia			Patavium		gauls		no			(Patavium, Today Padua, claims to be the oldest city in northern Italy. Patavium was inhabited by (Adriatic) Veneti. They were reputed for their excellent breed of horses and the wool of their sheep. Its men fought for the Romans at Cannae. The city was a Roman municipium since 45 BC. It became so powerful that it was reportedly able to raise two hundred thousand fighting men.)(by Suppanut)
    43)Transalpine_Gaul		Massilia		gauls		[yes]			?(By Zarax)		
    44)Narbonensis			Tolosa			gauls		[yes]			(Tolosa rapidly transformed into one of the major cities of the Roman Empire before the reign of Nero due to thrieve in trade during Imperial rule.)(by Suppanut)
    45)Liguria			Segesta			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    46)Rhaetia			Veldideno		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    47)Tribus_Scordisci		Singidunum		gauls		no			(Singidunum reached its height in 86 AD. The legion set up as a square-shaped castrum (fort), the remains of which can be seen today near the northeastern corner of the acropolis. The legion also constructed a bridge over the Sava, connecting Singidunum with Taurunum. The 6,000-strong legion became a major military asset against the continuous threat of the Dacians just across the Danube. Another step the Romans took to help strengthen Singidunum was the settlement of its legion veterans next to the fortress. In time, a large settlement grew out from around the castrum.)(by Suppanut)
    48)Tribus_Eravisci		Aquincum		gauls		[yes]			(The city had around 30,000-40,000 inhabitants by the end of the 2nd century. People living in the settlement could enjoy the achievements of the Empire, like central heating in the houses, public baths, palaces, or amphitheatres for social events.)(by Suppanut)
    49)Tribus_Nervii		Atuatuca		gauls		no			(Located on the important road linking Cologne to Bavay via the relay of Liberchies, and surrounded by the fertile lands of the Hesbaye region, the settlement quickly became one of the largest Gallo-Roman administrative and military towns in the 1st century.)(by Suppanut)
    50)Aquitania			Burdigala		gauls		no			(Today Bordeaux. Around 300 BC it was the settlement of a Celtic tribe, the Bituriges Vivisci, who named the town Burdigala.The city fell under Roman rule around 60 BC, its importance lying in the commerce of Tin and Lead towards Rome. Later it became capital of Roman Aquitaine, flourishing especially during the Severan dynasty (3rd century).)(by Suppanut)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		yes			(by CaesarVincens)
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    53)Aulercia			Cenabum			gauls		[yes]			(Cenabum was the name of an oppidum of the Carnutes tribe, situated on the site of what is now Orléans. It was a prosperous commercial city on the Loire River at the time of Caesar's conquest of Gaul. This port was the commercial outlet for the grain produced in the Beauce. The city had strong fortifications, and also controlled a bridge over the Loire, of considerable economic and strategic importance. It was Cenabum which gave the signal for the Gallic revolt of which Vercingetorix quickly became the head and which was the motivation for Caesar's seventh Gallic campaign. Later Caersar was massacring all the inhabitant and pillaging and burning down the town.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (thrace)(Huge City=2)
    54)Getia			Buridava		thrace		no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Kogaionon")(by Suppanut)
    55)Scythia_Parva		Tomi			thrace		no			(greek colony with high civilized influence)(by Suppanut)
    56)Thrace			Seutopolis		thrace		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)	
    57)Dardania			Sardica			thrace		no			(Sofia was originally a Thracian settlement called Serdica. Around 500 BC another tribe settled in the region, the Odrysi, known as an ethnos with their own kingdom. Around AD 29, Serdica was conquered by the Romans.When Emperor Diocletian divided the province of Dacia into Dacia Ripensis (at the banks of the Danube) and Dacia Mediterranea, Serdica became the capital of Dacia Mediterranea. The city subsequently expanded for a century and a half, it became a significant political and economical centre. Serdica was of moderate size, but magnificent as an urban concept of planning and architecture, with abundant amusements and an active social life.)(by Suppanut)
    58)Propontis			Byzantium		thrace		[yes]			(site of later Constantinople, the city of man desired)(by Archbaker)
    59)Thrace_Minor			Amphipolis		thrace		no			(Amphipolis one of the main stops on the Macedonian royal road to Thrace and later Roman Road which crossed the southern Balkans. After the final victory of Rome over Macedonia in 168 BC, Amphipolis became the capital one of the four mini-republics which were created by the Romans out of the kingdom of the Antigonids and gradually incorporated into the Roman client state, and later province, of Thracia.)(by Suppanut)
    60)Moesia			Naissus			thrace		no			(The city's early name under the Roman Empire remained Naissus, which is the Latin name derived from its original name Naissos ("city of the nymphs"), a Greek colony founded in antiquity. Naissus is a possible location of Nysa, a mythical place in Greek mythology where the young god Dionysus was raised. At the time of the conquest of the Greeks by Rome, Naissos was used as a base for operations but no other non-religious significant.)(by Suppanut)
    61)Tribus_Bastarnae		Vibantavarium		thrace		no			(too small)(by Suppanut)
    62)Dacia			Sarmizegetusa		thrace		no			(Sarmisegetuza was the most important Dacian military, religious and political centre. Sarmizegetusa had a sacred precinct—among the most important and largest circular and rectangular Dacian sanctuaries the famous Circular Calendar Sanctuary is included. The civilians lived around the fortress, down the mountain on man-made terraces. Dacian nobility had flowing water, brought through ceramic pipes, in their residences. The archaeological inventory found at the site shows that Dacian society had a high standard of living. The Roman conquerors established a military garrison there. Later, the capital of Roman Dacia was named after the Dacian capital—Colonia Ulpia Traiana Augusta Dacica Sarmizegetusa, established 40 km from the ruined Dacian capital. This second city was the biggest city in Roman Dacia, with a partly conserved forum, an amphitheatre, and several temples. The city was destroyed by the Goths.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (illyria)(Huge City=0)
    63)Illyria			Aemona			illyria		no			(Aemona was one of the main cities on the eastern coast of the Adriatic. Recent research seems to indicate that Aemona was actually the easternmost city of the Roman empire proper. Aemona was likely a colony founded by veterans of the Illyricum campaigns. The soldiers were not happy with the quality of these non-Italian land payment.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    
    (steppe)(Huge City=0)
    65)Tribus_Siracae		Campus_Siracae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    66)Tribus_Alanni		Campus_Alanni		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    67)Tribus_Roxolani		Campus_Roxolani		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    68)Tribus_Neuri			Vicus_Neuri		Steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    69)Maeotis			Tanais			steppe		no			(large civilized influence in city)(but not big enough)(by Archbaker)
    70)Scythia			Olbia			steppe		no			(large civilized influence in city)(but not big enough)(by Archbaker)
    71)Tribus_Budinai		Vicus_Budinai		steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    72)Tribus_Iazyges		Campus_Iazyges		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    73)Tribus_Legae			Campus_Legae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    74)Tribus_Aorsi			Campus_Aorsi		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    75)Tribus_Iirkai		Campus_Iirkai		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    
    (crimea)(Huge City=1)
    76)Regnum_Bosphoranum		Panticapaeum		crimea		[yes]			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    77)Taurica			Neapolis_Scythica	crimea		no			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    78)Heraclea_Chersonesus		Chersonesos		crimea		no			(Another Greek colony, in the late 2nd century BC Chersonesos became a dependency of the Bosporan Kingdom. It was subject to Rome from the middle of the 1st century BC until the 370s AD, when it was captured by the Huns.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (east steppe)(Huge City=3)
    79)Tribus_Massagetae		Campus_Massagetae	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    80)Chorasmia			Khiva			east steppe	no			(No city name Khiva until 6 century CE although had "Khwarezm" since early of Iranian history.)(by Suppanut)
    81)Sogdiana			Maracanda		east steppe	[yes]			(silk road and seat of satrap, later become Samarkand)(by Archbaker)
    82)Tribus_Dahae			Nisa			east steppe	[yes]			(Parthian Capital with fairly culturally advanced city)(by Archbaker)
    83)Tocharia			Gushan			east steppe	?			???
    84)Tribus_Yuezhe		Kashgar			east steppe	[yes]			(Oasis settlement)(part of classic world, old and influenctial city of silk road)(by Archbaker)
    85)Wusun			Chighu			east steppe	no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Petrogliphs Sanctuaries of Semirechye" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    86)Amyrgia			Campus_Amyrgicum	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    87)Tribus_Sakae			Campus_Sakae		east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    88)Chach			Kangha			east steppe	no			(Today Tashkent, Kangha started as an oasis on the Chirchik River, near the foothills of the Golestan Mountains. In ancient times, this area contained Beitian, probably the summer "capital" of the Kangju confederacy but not significant on regional/global state until 7th century CE as develop of irrigation/comcerce in the area.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (armenia)(Huge City=2)
    89)Colchis			Kotais			armenia		no			(Kutaisi was the capital of the ancient Kingdom of Colchis.)(by Archbaker)
    90)Atropatene			Phraaspa		armenia		no			???(by Archbaker)
    91)Armenia_Maior		Armavir			armenia		[yes]			(Armavir was inhabited from the 5th-6th millennium BC onwards. Various obsidian instruments, bronze objects and pottery have been found from that period. King Argishtis I of Urartu built a fortress in the area and named it Argishtikhinili. In 331 BC when Armenia reasserted its independence under the Orontid Dynasty from the Achaemenid Empire, Armavir was chosen as the capital of Armenia.)(to support Special temple "Karahunj")(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    92)Iberia			Mtskheta		armenia		no			(Mtskheta was a capital of the Georgian Kingdom of Iberia during the 3rd century BC - 5th century AD. No other significant in this era.)(by Suppanut)
    93)Albania			Albana			armenia		no			(Small client Kingdom to Armenia with history of friecely fight to protect their home.)(by Suppanut)
    94)Sophene			Amida			armenia		no			(The city was called Amida when the region was under the rule of the Roman (from 66 BC) and the succeeding Byzantine Empires. It once was the seat of the Church of the East Patriarch and thus an Assyrian or Syriac stronghold that produced many famous Syriac theologians and Patriarchs. No other significant thing in that era.)(by Suppanut)
    95)Armenia_Minor		Satala			armenia		no			(City was built by roman in year 115 after their annexation from Armenia by Rome.)(by Suppanut)
    96)Armenia			Thospia			armenia		[yes]			(Other name is Van, important city with very heavy fortification and control pass of trade route)(by CaesarVincens)
    
    (anatolia)(Huge City=7+1)
    97)Paphlagonia			Sinope			anatolia	[yes]			(Important local power with its own colony)(by Archbaker)
    98)Cappadocia			Mazaka			anatolia	[yes]			(very old city with location on silk road)(by Archbaker)
    99)Amastris			Sesamus			anatolia	no			(On a coin of the time of Trajan, Amastris has the title Metropolis. It continued to be a town of some note to the seventh century of our era.)(by Suppanut)
    100)Bithynia			Nicomedia		anatolia	[yes]			(Important city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    101)Galatia			Ancyra			anatolia	no			(by Archbaker)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    103)Lydia			Sardis			anatolia	[yes]			(great city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    104)Caria			Halicarnasus		anatolia	no			(famous and site of one of 7 wonders but naver full recovered from Alexander's conquest)(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    105)Pontus_Minor		Trapezus		anatolia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    106)Phrygia			Ipsus			anatolia	no			(A village on the crossroad in Phrygia(which lost important part to Galatia) which site the battle that cause break up of Diadochi war.)(by Suppanut)
    107)Pamphylia			Side			anatolia	[yes]			(Moderately large, quite wealthy and partly independent city with strong Hellenistic culture.)(by Archbaker)
    108)Pontus			Amasia			anatolia	[yes]			(Hellenistic Pontic capitol.)(by Archbaker)
    
    (italy)(Huge City=5)
    109)Etruria			Arretium		italy		[yes]			(the third largest city in Italy in the Augustan period)(by Suppanut)
    110)Umbria			Ariminum		italy		[yes]			(Large growth under Augustus.)(by Archbaker)
    111)Latium			Rome			italy		[yes]			600,000(end of games)
    112)Calabria			Tarentum		italy		[yes]			(Important Comercial city which once a serious enemy of Rome.)(by Archbaker)
    113)Campania			Capua			italy		[yes]			(A notoriously large and wealthy town in a densely populated part of Italia.)(by Archbaker)
    114)Bruttium			Croton			italy		no			(Once glorius for Pythagorean school, Olympic superpower and a considerable city, with twelve miles of walls, but after the Pyrrhic War, half the city was deserted (Livy 24.3). What was left of its population submitted to Rome in 277 BC.)(by Suppanut)
    115)Apulia			Cannae			italy		no			(An unimportant Roman town which site the one of the most famous battle.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (persia)(Huge City=4+1)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(Old Capital of Media and second capital of Parthia, have religious important.)(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    117)Margiana			Merv			persia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    120)Drangiana			Neh			persia		no			???(find no significant data)
    121)Persis			Istakhr			persia		[yes]			(to support Special temple "The Site of Persepolis")(by Suppanut)
    122)Carmania			Harmozia		persia		[yes]			(Important port in Persian Gulf/Indian Oceans which very fertile farmland and Strategic location)(by Suppanut)
    123)Aria			Phra			persia		no			(Aria was an Old Persian satrapy which in antiquity was considered as particularly fertile and, above all, rich in wine.)(by Suppanut)
    124)Astauene			Asaak			persia		no			(Capital of Astauene, site of Arsaces I crowning according to Isidore of Charax. It is in modern Iran near Kuchan in the upper Atrek river valley.)(by Suppanut)
    125)Parthyene			Hecatompylos		persia		[yes]			(The Parni tribe took the city around 238 BCE and made it one of the first capitals of their Parthian Empire. It was mentioned as the royal city of the Parthians by a number of classical writers including Strabo, Pliny, Ptolemy, although the Parthians seemed to have used a number of cities as their "capital" at different periods.)(by Suppanut)
    126)Choarene			Apamea			persia		no			(A Hellenistic city in Media founded by Seleucus I Nicator, near Laodicea (now Nahavand, Iran) and Heraclea. Apamea's precise location is not known, but it is probably in Iran, or, less likely, in Iraq.)(by Suppanut)
    127)Adiabene			Arbela			persia		no			(Site of Gaugamela and early center of Christianity)(by Suppanut)
    
    (hellenic)(Huge City=6+2)
    128)Epirus			Ambracia		hellenic	[yes]			(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Dodona")(by Suppanut)
    129)Macedonia			Pella			hellenic	[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    130)Thessalia			Larissa			hellenic	no			(As the chief city of ancient Thessaly(well known for horsemanship), Larissa was directly annexed by Philip II of Macedon in 344, and from then on Larissa was under Macedonian control; in 196 B.C. Larissa became an ally of Rome and was the headquarters of the Thessalian League.)(by Suppanut)
    131)Laconia			Sparta			hellenic	no			(This "Defender of Hellenism" is on gradually decline especially in population.)(by Suppanut)
    132)Attica			Athens			hellenic	[yes]			250,000(beginning of Hellenistic)-250,000(Roman Empire)(to support Special temple "Acropolis of Athens" and special academy "Plato's Academy")(by many)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(Roman' Gate to the east, city was turned into important port/commercial/industrial center by Romans rise.)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(Rich city which rival to Athens in its wealth and importance.)(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    135)Boeotia			Thebes			hellenic	no			(city doesn't fully recovered until middle age)(by Suppanut)
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	no/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    137)Aeolis			Pergamum		hellenic	[yes]			120,000-150,000(to support Special academy "Library of Pergamum")(by Suppanut)
    138)Mysia			Cyzicus			hellenic	no			(City loyal to Pegamum and later Rome. Chief city of Mysia. Under Roman Emperor Tiberius it was incorporated with the empire, but remained the capital of Mysia, afterwards of Hellespontus, and became one of the greatest cities in the ancient world.)(by Suppanut)
    139)Ionia			Ephesus			hellenic	[yes]			90,000(100 AD)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)	
    140)Rhodos			Rhodes			hellenic	[yes]			(to support 7 wonders)(By Zarax)
    
    (Mediterranean)(Huge City=1)
    141)Sardinia			Caralis			Sardinia	no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    142)Sicilia_Graecus		Syracuse		sicily		[yes]			300,000(By Zarax)
    143)Sicilia_Romanus		Messana			sicily		no			(Known for good natural harbour. In Roman times Messana had an important pharos (lighthouse). Messana was the base of Sextus Pompeius, during his war against Octavian.)(by CaesarVincens)
    144)Sicilia_Poeni		Lilybaeum		sicily		no			(Lilybaeum, the principal stronghold of the Carthaginians in Sicily. Neither Pyrrhus nor the Romans were able to reduce it by siege, but it was surrendered to the latter in 241 BC at the end of the First Punic War as a condition of the peace treaty. In the later wars it was a starting point for the Roman expeditions against Carthage, and under Roman rule it enjoyed considerable prosperity.)(by CaesarVincens)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		maybe			(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    146)Crete			Kydonia			crete		no			(Kydonia was an important ancient city-state on the northwest coast of the island of Crete. It is at the site of the modern-day Greek city of Khania. Cydonia was constantly at war with other Cretan city-states such as Aptera, Falasarna and Polyrrinia.(by Suppanut)
    147)Corsica			Aleria			cosica		no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    
    (arabia)(Huge City=1)
    148)Sinai			Petra			arabia		no			20,000(during roman ruled)	
    149)Nabataea			Bostra			arabia		no			(Bosra was the first Nabatean city in the 2nd century BC. The Nabatean Kingdom was conquered by Roman in 106. Under the Roman Empire, Bosra was capital of the Roman province Arabia Petraea. The city flourished and became a major metropolis at the juncture of several trade routes, including the Roman road to the Red Sea.)(By Suppanut)
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		no/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    151)Saba			Mariaba			arabia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    152)Qataban			Tamna			arabia		no			(The capital of Qataban was named Timna and was located on the trade route which passed through the other kingdoms of Hadramaut, Sheba and Ma'in. It was the most prominent Yemeni kingdom in the 2nd half of the 1st millennium BCE, when its ruler held the title of the South Arabian hegemon, MKRB.)(by Suppanut)
    153)Hadramaut			Sabata			arabia		no			???
    154)Locus_Gerraei		Gerra			arabia		no			(Gerrha was the center of an Arab kingdom from approximately 650 BC to circa 300 AD)
    155)Maketa			Omana			arabia		no			(One of the earliest Roman historians to mention Oman is Yalainous, who lived from 23-79 AD. He presents in his writings a city which he names Omana. This name also recurs in Ptolemy. Some historians identify this Omana of Ptolemy as the city of Sohar, which was the pre-eminent trading center of Arabia in the classical age of Islam.)(by Suppanut)
    156)Zufar			Ubar			arabia		no			(lost city in Arab legend just rediscovered by NASA satellites in 1980s.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (levant)(Huge City=5)
    157)Assyria			Hatra			levant		maybe			(Hatra was founded as an Assyrian city by the Seleucid Empire[1] some time in the 3rd century BCE. A religious and trading centre of the Parthian empire, it flourished during the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Hatra became an important fortified frontier city and withstood repeated attacks by the Roman Empire.)(by Suppanut)
    158)Syria			Antioch			levant		[yes]			500,000(to support Special temple "The Resort of Daphne at Antioch")(by Suppanut)
    159)Regnum_Palmyrae		Palmyra			levant		[yes]			(Oasis settlement)(Palmyra has long been a vital caravan city for travellers crossing the Syrian desert and was known as the Bride of the Desert. Palmyra was made part of the Roman province of Syria during the reign of Tiberius (14–37). It steadily grew in importance as a trade route linking Persia, India, China, and the Roman empire.)(by Suppanut)
    160)Phoenicia			Sidon			levant		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    161)Coele_Syria			Damascus		levant		[yes]			(oldest settlement which people still living in, significant during pre-Alexander and Roman Empire eras)(by Suppanut)
    162)Judaea			Jerusalem		levant		[yes]			200,000(before fall of second temple, 70 AD)(to support Special temple "The Second Temple of Yahweh at Jerusalem")(by Suppanut)
    
    (mesopotamia)(Huge City=2)
    163)Babylonia			Seleucia		mesopotamia	[yes]			200,000-250,000(to support 7 wonders)(by Suppanut)
    164)Elymais			Susa			mesopotamia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    165)Characene			Charax			mesopotemia	maybe			(Charax was a rich port with ships arriving regularly from Gerrha, Egypt, India, and beyond. It was also the beginning of the overland trade route from the Persian Gulf to Petra and Palmyra. It became a centre for Arab trade, largely controlled by the Nabataeans, at least until they became assimilated by the Romans in 106 CE.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (west africa)(Huge City=2+1)
    166)Mauretania_Tingitana	Tingi			west africa	no			(Tingi is an ancient Phoenician town, founded by Carthaginian colonists in the early 5th century BC. The commercial town of Tingis came under Roman rule in the course of the 1st century BC, first as a free city and then, under Augustus, a colony, capital of Mauritania Tingitana of Hispania.)(by Suppanut)
    167)Numidia			Cirta			west africa	no/maybe		(Capital of Kingdom of Numidia, not only was Cirta an important economic site, it was also a key political and military spot within the African kingdoms. Caesar's conquest of Northern Africa officially brought Cirta under Roman rule in 46 B.C.)(by Suppanut)
    168)Zeugitana			Carthage		west africa	[yes]			150,000-500,000(3rd punic war)(by many)
    169)Byzacium			Hadrumetum		west africa	[yes]			(Hadrumetum was one of the most important communities within the Carthaginian territory in northern Africa because of its strategic location on the sea in the heart of the fertile Sahel region. The city allied itself with Rome during the Punic Wars, thereby escaping damage or ruin and entered a relatively peaceful 700-year stint under Pax Romana. Under the Roman Empire it became very prosperous; Trajan gave it the rank of a colonia.)(by Suppanut)
    170)Tripolitania		Lepcis_Magna		west africa	no			(One of the leading cities of Roman Africa and a major trading post but gain prominent long later after game period.)(by Suppanut)
    171)Mauretania_Massaesili	Siga			west africa	?			???
    172)Cydamae			Cydaus			west africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(find no significant data)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	yes			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    174)Mauretania_Salditana	Saldae			west africa	no			(A minor port in Carthaginian and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    175)Tripolitania_Minor		Sabratha		west africa	no			(Sabratha was the westernmost of the "three cities" of Tripolis. Sabratha's port was established, perhaps about 500 BC, as a Phoenician trading-post that served as a coastal outlet for the products of the African hinterland. Sabratha became part of the short-lived Numidian Kingdom of Massinissa before being Romanized and rebuilt in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (east africa)(Huge City=4)
    176)Cyrenaica			Cyrene			east africa	[yes]			(The chief town of ancient Libya and established commercial relations with all the Greek cities, reaching the height of its prosperity under its own kings in the 5th century BC. Soon after 460 BC it became a republic; after the death of Alexander the Great (323 BC) it was passed to the Ptolemaic dynasty.)(by CaesarVincens)
    177)Nile_Delta			Alexandria		east africa	[yes]			300,000-600,000(Ptolemaic ruled)-1,000,000(classic peak)(to support 7 wonders)(to support Special academy "Library of Alexandria")(by many)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	no/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
    179)Middle_Egypt		Memphis			east africa	[yes]			about 100,000(about 430 BC)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)
    180)Thebais			Thebes			east africa	[yes]			about 50,000(Ptolemaic ruled), 120,000(1000 BC)(to support Special temple "Abu Simbel")(by many)
    181)Marmarica			Paraetonium		east africa	no			(A minor port in Hellenistic and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    182)Nubia			Pselchis		east africa	no			???(find no significant data)
    183)Locus_Blemmye		Campus_Blemmye		east africa	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    184)Kush			Meroe			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Meroë was the southern capital of the Kushite Kingdom, or Napata/Meroitic Kingdom, that spanned the period c. 800 BC - c. 350 AD. Meroe eventually settled down to a healthy trading relationship with Rome and the Mediterranean. However, the kingdom of Meroe began to fade as a power by the first or second century AD, sapped by the war with Roman Egypt and the decline of its traditional industries.)(by Suppanut)
    185)Oasis_Magna			Hibis			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Oasis settlement)(by Suppanut)
    186)Azania			Opone			east africa	no			(In ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea, Azania, the Roman Empire and elsewhere, as it possessed a strategic location along the coastal route from Azania to the Red Sea.)(by Suppanut)
    187)Ethiopia			Axum			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(by Suppanut)
    
    (baktria)(Huge City=1)
    188)Bactria			Bactra			Baktria		[yes]			(fertile soil and trade route hub)(by LucretiusTC)
    189)Paropamisadae		Kophen			baktria		?			???(find no significant data)	
    
    (india)(Huge City=2)
    190)Gedrosia			Pura			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    191)Sind			Patala			india		[yes]			(unknown size but a bit smaller than Taxila. Very significant in commercial as emporium of trade.)(to support Special temple "Learning Center of Taxila")(by Suppanut)
    192)Sattagydia			Opiana			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    193)Gandhara			Taxila			india		[yes]			(unknown size but assume to be huge due to its significant in economic(crossroad of 3 trade routes), military and culture.)(to support Special temple)(by Suppanut)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)
    
    (uncapturable)
    195)Gaetulia			Dimmidi			uncapturable	no
    196)Arabia			Gorda			uncapturable	no
    Here is Summary by Categories.
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    [yes](included)		=58
    3)Tribus_Trinovantes		Camulodunum		briton		[yes]			>10,000(Post-Boudica)(as Londinium could archive it and for gameplay reason as capital of Britannia/place of special temple "Stonehenge)(by Archbaker, Suppanut)
    15)Tribus_Chattii		Mattium			germanic	[yes]			(Capital of the Chatti, one of the largest town in the north)(by Archbaker)
    21)Bastetania			Carthago_Nova		iberia		[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    22)Turdetania			Gadir			iberia		[yes]			(to support Special temple "Pillars of Herakles")(by Suppanut)
    26)Cantabria			Iruna			iberia		[yes]			(Found in 75-74 BC by Romans. Although it can not be considered one of the outstanding cities of Roman Hispania, recent archaeological excavations have revealed a quite high degree of development.)(by Suppanut)
    41)Cisalpine_Gaul		Mediolanium		gauls		[yes]			?(By Zarax)		
    43)Transalpine_Gaul		Massilia		gauls		[yes]			?(By Zarax)		
    44)Narbonensis			Tolosa			gauls		[yes]			(Tolosa rapidly transformed into one of the major cities of the Roman Empire before the reign of Nero due to thrieve in trade during Imperial rule.)(by Suppanut)
    48)Tribus_Eravisci		Aquincum		gauls		[yes]			(The city had around 30,000-40,000 inhabitants by the end of the 2nd century. People living in the settlement could enjoy the achievements of the Empire, like central heating in the houses, public baths, palaces, or amphitheatres for social events.)(by Suppanut)
    53)Aulercia			Cenabum			gauls		[yes]			(Cenabum was the name of an oppidum of the Carnutes tribe, situated on the site of what is now Orléans. It was a prosperous commercial city on the Loire River at the time of Caesar's conquest of Gaul. This port was the commercial outlet for the grain produced in the Beauce. The city had strong fortifications, and also controlled a bridge over the Loire, of considerable economic and strategic importance. It was Cenabum which gave the signal for the Gallic revolt of which Vercingetorix quickly became the head and which was the motivation for Caesar's seventh Gallic campaign. Later Caersar was massacring all the inhabitant and pillaging and burning down the town.)(by Suppanut)
    56)Thrace			Seutopolis		thrace		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)	
    58)Propontis			Byzantium		thrace		[yes]			(site of later Constantinople, the city of man desired)(by Archbaker)
    76)Regnum_Bosphoranum		Panticapaeum		crimea		[yes]			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    81)Sogdiana			Maracanda		east steppe	[yes]			(silk road and seat of satrap, later become Samarkand)(by Archbaker)
    82)Tribus_Dahae			Nisa			east steppe	[yes]			(Parthian Capital with fairly culturally advanced city)(by Archbaker)
    84)Tribus_Yuezhe		Kashgar			east steppe	[yes]			(Oasis settlement)(part of classic world, old and influenctial city of silk road)(by Archbaker)
    91)Armenia_Maior		Armavir			armenia		[yes]			(Armavir was inhabited from the 5th-6th millennium BC onwards. Various obsidian instruments, bronze objects and pottery have been found from that period. King Argishtis I of Urartu built a fortress in the area and named it Argishtikhinili. In 331 BC when Armenia reasserted its independence under the Orontid Dynasty from the Achaemenid Empire, Armavir was chosen as the capital of Armenia.)(to support Special temple "Karahunj")(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    96)Armenia			Thospia			armenia		[yes]			(Other name is Van, important city with very heavy fortification and control pass of trade route)(by CaesarVincens)
    97)Paphlagonia			Sinope			anatolia	[yes]			(Important local power with its own colony)(by Archbaker)
    98)Cappadocia			Mazaka			anatolia	[yes]			(very old city with location on silk road)(by Archbaker)
    100)Bithynia			Nicomedia		anatolia	[yes]			(Important city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    103)Lydia			Sardis			anatolia	[yes]			(great city of the region)(by Archbaker)
    105)Pontus_Minor		Trapezus		anatolia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    107)Pamphylia			Side			anatolia	[yes]			(Moderately large, quite wealthy and partly independent city with strong Hellenistic culture.)(by Archbaker)
    108)Pontus			Amasia			anatolia	[yes]			(Hellenistic Pontic capitol.)(by Archbaker)
    109)Etruria			Arretium		italy		[yes]			(the third largest city in Italy in the Augustan period)(by Suppanut)
    110)Umbria			Ariminum		italy		[yes]			(Large growth under Augustus.)(by Archbaker)
    111)Latium			Rome			italy		[yes]			600,000(end of games)
    112)Calabria			Tarentum		italy		[yes]			(Important Comercial city which once a serious enemy of Rome.)(by Archbaker)
    113)Campania			Capua			italy		[yes]			(A notoriously large and wealthy town in a densely populated part of Italia.)(by Archbaker)
    117)Margiana			Merv			persia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    121)Persis			Istakhr			persia		[yes]			(to support Special temple "The Site of Persepolis")(by Suppanut)
    122)Carmania			Harmozia		persia		[yes]			(Important port in Persian Gulf/Indian Oceans which very fertile farmland and Strategic location)(by Suppanut)
    125)Parthyene			Hecatompylos		persia		[yes]			(The Parni tribe took the city around 238 BCE and made it one of the first capitals of their Parthian Empire. It was mentioned as the royal city of the Parthians by a number of classical writers including Strabo, Pliny, Ptolemy, although the Parthians seemed to have used a number of cities as their "capital" at different periods.)(by Suppanut)
    128)Epirus			Ambracia		hellenic	[yes]			(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Dodona")(by Suppanut)
    129)Macedonia			Pella			hellenic	[yes]			?(By Zarax)
    132)Attica			Athens			hellenic	[yes]			250,000(beginning of Hellenistic)-250,000(Roman Empire)(to support Special temple "Acropolis of Athens" and special academy "Plato's Academy")(by many)
    137)Aeolis			Pergamum		hellenic	[yes]			120,000-150,000(to support Special academy "Library of Pergamum")(by Suppanut)
    139)Ionia			Ephesus			hellenic	[yes]			90,000(100 AD)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)	
    140)Rhodos			Rhodes			hellenic	[yes]			(to support 7 wonders)(By Zarax)
    142)Sicilia_Graecus		Syracuse		sicily		[yes]			300,000(By Zarax)
    151)Saba			Mariaba			arabia		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    158)Syria			Antioch			levant		[yes]			500,000(to support Special temple "The Resort of Daphne at Antioch")(by Suppanut)
    159)Regnum_Palmyrae		Palmyra			levant		[yes]			(Oasis settlement)(Palmyra has long been a vital caravan city for travellers crossing the Syrian desert and was known as the Bride of the Desert. Palmyra was made part of the Roman province of Syria during the reign of Tiberius (14–37). It steadily grew in importance as a trade route linking Persia, India, China, and the Roman empire.)(by Suppanut)
    160)Phoenicia			Sidon			levant		[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    161)Coele_Syria			Damascus		levant		[yes]			(oldest settlement which people still living in, significant during pre-Alexander and Roman Empire eras)(by Suppanut)
    162)Judaea			Jerusalem		levant		[yes]			200,000(before fall of second temple, 70 AD)(to support Special temple "The Second Temple of Yahweh at Jerusalem")(by Suppanut)
    163)Babylonia			Seleucia		mesopotamia	[yes]			200,000-250,000(to support 7 wonders)(by Suppanut)
    164)Elymais			Susa			mesopotamia	[yes]			(by CaesarVincens)
    168)Zeugitana			Carthage		west africa	[yes]			150,000-500,000(3rd punic war)(by many)
    169)Byzacium			Hadrumetum		west africa	[yes]			(Hadrumetum was one of the most important communities within the Carthaginian territory in northern Africa because of its strategic location on the sea in the heart of the fertile Sahel region. The city allied itself with Rome during the Punic Wars, thereby escaping damage or ruin and entered a relatively peaceful 700-year stint under Pax Romana. Under the Roman Empire it became very prosperous; Trajan gave it the rank of a colonia.)(by Suppanut)
    176)Cyrenaica			Cyrene			east africa	[yes]			(The chief town of ancient Libya and established commercial relations with all the Greek cities, reaching the height of its prosperity under its own kings in the 5th century BC. Soon after 460 BC it became a republic; after the death of Alexander the Great (323 BC) it was passed to the Ptolemaic dynasty.)(by CaesarVincens)
    177)Nile_Delta			Alexandria		east africa	[yes]			300,000-600,000(Ptolemaic ruled)-1,000,000(classic peak)(to support 7 wonders)(to support Special academy "Library of Alexandria")(by many)
    179)Middle_Egypt		Memphis			east africa	[yes]			about 100,000(about 430 BC)(to support 7 wonders)(by many)
    180)Thebais			Thebes			east africa	[yes]			about 50,000(Ptolemaic ruled), 120,000(1000 BC)(to support Special temple "Abu Simbel")(by many)
    188)Bactria			Bactra			Baktria		[yes]			(fertile soil and trade route hub)(by LucretiusTC)
    191)Sind			Patala			india		[yes]			(unknown size but a bit smaller than Taxila. Very significant in commercial as emporium of trade.)(to support Special temple "Learning Center of Taxila")(by Suppanut)
    193)Gandhara			Taxila			india		[yes]			(unknown size but assume to be huge due to its significant in economic(crossroad of 3 trade routes), military and culture.)(to support Special temple)(by Suppanut)
    
    yes(not yet included)	=7
    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		yes			(a Gaulish oppidum or fortified city, was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hillforts in Gaul.)(by CaesarVincens)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		yes			(Capital of Arverni, the tribe which once dominate Gauls.)(by CaesarVincens)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(Old Capital of Media and second capital of Parthia, have religious important.)(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(Roman' Gate to the east, city was turned into important port/commercial/industrial center by Romans rise.)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(Rich city which rival to Athens in its wealth and importance.)(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	yes			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    
    maybe			=9
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		maybe			(greek colony with high civilized influence. City even have curia and basilica.)(by Suppanut)
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		maybe			(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    157)Assyria			Hatra			levant		maybe			(Hatra was founded as an Assyrian city by the Seleucid Empire[1] some time in the 3rd century BCE. A religious and trading centre of the Parthian empire, it flourished during the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Hatra became an important fortified frontier city and withstood repeated attacks by the Roman Empire.)(by Suppanut)
    165)Characene			Charax			mesopotemia	maybe			(Charax was a rich port with ships arriving regularly from Gerrha, Egypt, India, and beyond. It was also the beginning of the overland trade route from the Persian Gulf to Petra and Palmyra. It became a centre for Arab trade, largely controlled by the Nabataeans, at least until they became assimilated by the Romans in 106 CE.)(by Suppanut)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)
    
    no/maybe		=4
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	no/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		no/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    167)Numidia			Cirta			west africa	no/maybe		(Capital of Kingdom of Numidia, not only was Cirta an important economic site, it was also a key political and military spot within the African kingdoms. Caesar's conquest of Northern Africa officially brought Cirta under Roman rule in 46 B.C.)(by Suppanut)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	no/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
    
    no&?(no data)		=118
    1)Tribus_Brigantes		Isurium			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    2)Cuinnacht			Emain_Macha		briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    4)Caledonia			Atauna			briton		no			???(find no significant data)
    5)Cimbrica			Hafnia			germanic	no			(still not exist at that time)(by Archbaker)
    6)Locus_Aestii			Vicus_Aestii		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    7)Locus_Fenni			Vicus_Fenni		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    8)Locus_Rugii			Rugium			germanic	no			(Today "Darlowo". Although it is and ancient settlement with port and sea commerce but not significant until middle age when commerce in Baltic grew more significant)(by Suppanut)
    9)Tribus_Chauci			Phabiranum		germanic	no			(Today "Bremen". This settlement not so specially significant during game era as it first mention in romans source in 150 CE)(by Suppanut) 
    10)Tribus_Suebi			Teutoburgum		germanic	no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Externsteine" in XGM 5.8.X)(by CaesarVincens)
    11)Tribus_Volcae		Sumelocenna		germanic	no			(originally this town was build in 98 CE by Romans as fort against Alamanni who destroy it in year 259-260 CE)(by Suppanut)
    12)Locus_Venedae		Vicus_Venedae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    13)Tribus_Tissagetae		Vicus_Tissagetae	germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    14)Tribus_Cherusci		Tulisurgium		germanic	no			???(find no significant data)
    16)Nurthralandan		Burgaz_Sueones		germanic	no			???(find no significant data)
    17)Locus_Careotae		Vicus_Careotae		germanic	no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    18)Gallaecia			Tyde			iberia		no			(by CaesarVincens)
    19)Celtiberia			Numantia		iberia		no			(4,000-8,000 during Celtiberian rule and not so sophisticated city during Roman rule)(by Suppanut)
    20)Lusitania			Oxtraca			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    23)Baliares			Bocchoris		iberia		no			(Palma was the port used for destinations in Africa and Hispania, no important role in commercial and Strategic on their own(except their slingers))(by Suppanut)
    24)Beribracia			Saguntum		iberia		no			(By 219 BC Saguntum was a large and commercially prosperous town, which sided with the local Greek colonists and Rome against Carthage.)(area with high civilized influence in Iberia)(by Suppanut)
    25)Carpetania			Baikor			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    27)Tartesania			Arsa			iberia		?			???(find no significant data)
    28)Asturia			Pallantia		iberia		no			(The fortified Celtiberian settlement, was rendered as Pallantia, chief town of the Vaccaei. The city was starved into submission in the second century BCE and incorporated into the Roman province of Hispania Tarraconensis. Though the little Roman garrison city was an active mint, it was insignificant compared to the Roman villas of Late Antiquity in the surrounding territory.)(by Suppanut)
    30)Locus_Lugii			Carrodunum		gauls		no			(Tody Krakow, oldest settlement in Poland but not so important at that time.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "The Sleza and Radunia Complex" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    31)Belgica			Samarobriva		gauls		no			(Today Amiens, the Roman Samarobriva, was the central settlement of the Ambiani, one of the principal tribes of Gaul, who were issuing coinage, probably from Amiens, in the first century BCE.)(by Suppanut)
    32)Armorica			Darioritum		gauls		no			(Darioritum (first name of Vannes) was founded in the first century BC by the Romans.As the Venetii gain civitas so this city become capital of the area.)(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Carnac Stones")(by Suppanut)
    33)Sequania			Vesontio		gauls		no			(First recorded in the journals of Julius Caesar as the largest town of the Sequani, a smaller Gaulic tribe, in his commentaries detailing his conquest of Gaul; he gave the name of the town as Vesontio (possibly Latinized) and mentions that it was surrounded by a wooden palisade.)(by Suppanut)
    34)Boihaemum			Eburonum		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    35)Tribus_Cotini		Leucaristus		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    37)Noricum			Iuvavum			gauls		no			(The first settlements at Salzburg were apparently begun by the Celts. Around 15 BC the separate settlements were merged into one city by the Romans. At this time the city was called Juvavum and was awarded the status of a Roman municipium in 45 AD. Juvavum developed into an important town of the Roman province of Noricum.)(By Suppanut)
    38)Pannonia			Paetovio		guals		?			???(find no significant data)
    39)Lemovicia			Lemonum			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    40)Lugdinensis			Vienna			gauls		no			(The oppidum of the Allobroges became a Roman colony about 47 BC under Julius Caesar. Under the early Empire Vienna regained all its former privileges as a Roman colony. Later it became a provincial capital.)(by Suppanut)		
    42)Venetia			Patavium		gauls		no			(Patavium, Today Padua, claims to be the oldest city in northern Italy. Patavium was inhabited by (Adriatic) Veneti. They were reputed for their excellent breed of horses and the wool of their sheep. Its men fought for the Romans at Cannae. The city was a Roman municipium since 45 BC. It became so powerful that it was reportedly able to raise two hundred thousand fighting men.)(by Suppanut)
    45)Liguria			Segesta			gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    46)Rhaetia			Veldideno		gauls		?			???(find no significant data)
    47)Tribus_Scordisci		Singidunum		gauls		no			(Singidunum reached its height in 86 AD. The legion set up as a square-shaped castrum (fort), the remains of which can be seen today near the northeastern corner of the acropolis. The legion also constructed a bridge over the Sava, connecting Singidunum with Taurunum. The 6,000-strong legion became a major military asset against the continuous threat of the Dacians just across the Danube. Another step the Romans took to help strengthen Singidunum was the settlement of its legion veterans next to the fortress. In time, a large settlement grew out from around the castrum.)(by Suppanut)
    49)Tribus_Nervii		Atuatuca		gauls		no			(Located on the important road linking Cologne to Bavay via the relay of Liberchies, and surrounded by the fertile lands of the Hesbaye region, the settlement quickly became one of the largest Gallo-Roman administrative and military towns in the 1st century.)(by Suppanut)
    50)Aquitania			Burdigala		gauls		no			(Today Bordeaux. Around 300 BC it was the settlement of a Celtic tribe, the Bituriges Vivisci, who named the town Burdigala.The city fell under Roman rule around 60 BC, its importance lying in the commerce of Tin and Lead towards Rome. Later it became capital of Roman Aquitaine, flourishing especially during the Severan dynasty (3rd century).)(by Suppanut)
    54)Getia			Buridava		thrace		no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Kogaionon")(by Suppanut)
    55)Scythia_Parva		Tomi			thrace		no			(greek colony with high civilized influence)(by Suppanut)
    57)Dardania			Sardica			thrace		no			(Sofia was originally a Thracian settlement called Serdica. Around 500 BC another tribe settled in the region, the Odrysi, known as an ethnos with their own kingdom. Around AD 29, Serdica was conquered by the Romans.When Emperor Diocletian divided the province of Dacia into Dacia Ripensis (at the banks of the Danube) and Dacia Mediterranea, Serdica became the capital of Dacia Mediterranea. The city subsequently expanded for a century and a half, it became a significant political and economical centre. Serdica was of moderate size, but magnificent as an urban concept of planning and architecture, with abundant amusements and an active social life.)(by Suppanut)
    59)Thrace_Minor			Amphipolis		thrace		no			(Amphipolis one of the main stops on the Macedonian royal road to Thrace and later Roman Road which crossed the southern Balkans. After the final victory of Rome over Macedonia in 168 BC, Amphipolis became the capital one of the four mini-republics which were created by the Romans out of the kingdom of the Antigonids and gradually incorporated into the Roman client state, and later province, of Thracia.)(by Suppanut)
    60)Moesia			Naissus			thrace		no			(The city's early name under the Roman Empire remained Naissus, which is the Latin name derived from its original name Naissos ("city of the nymphs"), a Greek colony founded in antiquity. Naissus is a possible location of Nysa, a mythical place in Greek mythology where the young god Dionysus was raised. At the time of the conquest of the Greeks by Rome, Naissos was used as a base for operations but no other non-religious significant.)(by Suppanut)
    61)Tribus_Bastarnae		Vibantavarium		thrace		no			(too small)(by Suppanut)
    62)Dacia			Sarmizegetusa		thrace		no			(Sarmisegetuza was the most important Dacian military, religious and political centre. Sarmizegetusa had a sacred precinct—among the most important and largest circular and rectangular Dacian sanctuaries the famous Circular Calendar Sanctuary is included. The civilians lived around the fortress, down the mountain on man-made terraces. Dacian nobility had flowing water, brought through ceramic pipes, in their residences. The archaeological inventory found at the site shows that Dacian society had a high standard of living. The Roman conquerors established a military garrison there. Later, the capital of Roman Dacia was named after the Dacian capital—Colonia Ulpia Traiana Augusta Dacica Sarmizegetusa, established 40 km from the ruined Dacian capital. This second city was the biggest city in Roman Dacia, with a partly conserved forum, an amphitheatre, and several temples. The city was destroyed by the Goths.)(by Suppanut)
    63)Illyria			Aemona			illyria		no			(Aemona was one of the main cities on the eastern coast of the Adriatic. Recent research seems to indicate that Aemona was actually the easternmost city of the Roman empire proper. Aemona was likely a colony founded by veterans of the Illyricum campaigns. The soldiers were not happy with the quality of these non-Italian land payment.)(by Suppanut)
    65)Tribus_Siracae		Campus_Siracae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    66)Tribus_Alanni		Campus_Alanni		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp)(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    67)Tribus_Roxolani		Campus_Roxolani		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    68)Tribus_Neuri			Vicus_Neuri		Steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    69)Maeotis			Tanais			steppe		no			(large civilized influence in city)(but not big enough)(by Archbaker)
    70)Scythia			Olbia			steppe		no			(large civilized influence in city)(but not big enough)(by Archbaker)
    71)Tribus_Budinai		Vicus_Budinai		steppe		no			(All "Vicus_"(Village) without their own name should grow into huge city in this period)(by Suppanut)
    72)Tribus_Iazyges		Campus_Iazyges		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    73)Tribus_Legae			Campus_Legae		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    74)Tribus_Aorsi			Campus_Aorsi		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    75)Tribus_Iirkai		Campus_Iirkai		steppe		no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    77)Taurica			Neapolis_Scythica	crimea		no			(large city which play as local power)(by Archbaker)
    78)Heraclea_Chersonesus		Chersonesos		crimea		no			(Another Greek colony, in the late 2nd century BC Chersonesos became a dependency of the Bosporan Kingdom. It was subject to Rome from the middle of the 1st century BC until the 370s AD, when it was captured by the Huns.)(by Suppanut)
    79)Tribus_Massagetae		Campus_Massagetae	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    80)Chorasmia			Khiva			east steppe	no			(No city name Khiva until 6 century CE although had "Khwarezm" since early of Iranian history.)(by Suppanut)
    83)Tocharia			Gushan			east steppe	?			???
    85)Wusun			Chighu			east steppe	no			(to support Barbarians' Special temple "Petrogliphs Sanctuaries of Semirechye" in XGM 5.8.X)(by Suppanut)
    86)Amyrgia			Campus_Amyrgicum	east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    87)Tribus_Sakae			Campus_Sakae		east steppe	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    88)Chach			Kangha			east steppe	no			(Today Tashkent, Kangha started as an oasis on the Chirchik River, near the foothills of the Golestan Mountains. In ancient times, this area contained Beitian, probably the summer "capital" of the Kangju confederacy but not significant on regional/global state until 7th century CE as develop of irrigation/comcerce in the area.)(by Suppanut)
    89)Colchis			Kotais			armenia		no			(Kutaisi was the capital of the ancient Kingdom of Colchis.)(by Archbaker)
    90)Atropatene			Phraaspa		armenia		no			???(by Archbaker)
    92)Iberia			Mtskheta		armenia		no			(Mtskheta was a capital of the Georgian Kingdom of Iberia during the 3rd century BC - 5th century AD. No other significant in this era.)(by Suppanut)
    93)Albania			Albana			armenia		no			(Small client Kingdom to Armenia with history of friecely fight to protect their home.)(by Suppanut)
    94)Sophene			Amida			armenia		no			(The city was called Amida when the region was under the rule of the Roman (from 66 BC) and the succeeding Byzantine Empires. It once was the seat of the Church of the East Patriarch and thus an Assyrian or Syriac stronghold that produced many famous Syriac theologians and Patriarchs. No other significant thing in that era.)(by Suppanut)
    95)Armenia_Minor		Satala			armenia		no			(City was built by roman in year 115 after their annexation from Armenia by Rome.)(by Suppanut)
    99)Amastris			Sesamus			anatolia	no			(On a coin of the time of Trajan, Amastris has the title Metropolis. It continued to be a town of some note to the seventh century of our era.)(by Suppanut)
    101)Galatia			Ancyra			anatolia	no			(by Archbaker)
    104)Caria			Halicarnasus		anatolia	no			(famous and site of one of 7 wonders but naver full recovered from Alexander's conquest)(by Suppanut and Archbaker)
    106)Phrygia			Ipsus			anatolia	no			(A village on the crossroad in Phrygia(which lost important part to Galatia) which site the battle that cause break up of Diadochi war.)(by Suppanut)
    114)Bruttium			Croton			italy		no			(Once glorius for Pythagorean school, Olympic superpower and a considerable city, with twelve miles of walls, but after the Pyrrhic War, half the city was deserted (Livy 24.3). What was left of its population submitted to Rome in 277 BC.)(by Suppanut)
    115)Apulia			Cannae			italy		no			(An unimportant Roman town which site the one of the most famous battle.)(by Suppanut)
    120)Drangiana			Neh			persia		no			???(find no significant data)
    123)Aria			Phra			persia		no			(Aria was an Old Persian satrapy which in antiquity was considered as particularly fertile and, above all, rich in wine.)(by Suppanut)
    124)Astauene			Asaak			persia		no			(Capital of Astauene, site of Arsaces I crowning according to Isidore of Charax. It is in modern Iran near Kuchan in the upper Atrek river valley.)(by Suppanut)
    126)Choarene			Apamea			persia		no			(A Hellenistic city in Media founded by Seleucus I Nicator, near Laodicea (now Nahavand, Iran) and Heraclea. Apamea's precise location is not known, but it is probably in Iran, or, less likely, in Iraq.)(by Suppanut)
    127)Adiabene			Arbela			persia		no			(Site of Gaugamela and early center of Christianity)(by Suppanut)
    130)Thessalia			Larissa			hellenic	no			(As the chief city of ancient Thessaly(well known for horsemanship), Larissa was directly annexed by Philip II of Macedon in 344, and from then on Larissa was under Macedonian control; in 196 B.C. Larissa became an ally of Rome and was the headquarters of the Thessalian League.)(by Suppanut)
    131)Laconia			Sparta			hellenic	no			(This "Defender of Hellenism" is on gradually decline especially in population.)(by Suppanut)
    135)Boeotia			Thebes			hellenic	no			(city doesn't fully recovered until middle age)(by Suppanut)
    138)Mysia			Cyzicus			hellenic	no			(City loyal to Pegamum and later Rome. Chief city of Mysia. Under Roman Emperor Tiberius it was incorporated with the empire, but remained the capital of Mysia, afterwards of Hellespontus, and became one of the greatest cities in the ancient world.)(by Suppanut)
    141)Sardinia			Caralis			Sardinia	no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    143)Sicilia_Romanus		Messana			sicily		no			(Known for good natural harbour. In Roman times Messana had an important pharos (lighthouse). Messana was the base of Sextus Pompeius, during his war against Octavian.)(by CaesarVincens)
    144)Sicilia_Poeni		Lilybaeum		sicily		no			(Lilybaeum, the principal stronghold of the Carthaginians in Sicily. Neither Pyrrhus nor the Romans were able to reduce it by siege, but it was surrendered to the latter in 241 BC at the end of the First Punic War as a condition of the peace treaty. In the later wars it was a starting point for the Roman expeditions against Carthage, and under Roman rule it enjoyed considerable prosperity.)(by CaesarVincens)
    146)Crete			Kydonia			crete		no			(Kydonia was an important ancient city-state on the northwest coast of the island of Crete. It is at the site of the modern-day Greek city of Khania. Cydonia was constantly at war with other Cretan city-states such as Aptera, Falasarna and Polyrrinia.(by Suppanut)
    147)Corsica			Aleria			cosica		no			(Rome never truely control inland part)(by Suppanut)
    148)Sinai			Petra			arabia		no			20,000(during roman ruled)	
    149)Nabataea			Bostra			arabia		no			(Bosra was the first Nabatean city in the 2nd century BC. The Nabatean Kingdom was conquered by Roman in 106. Under the Roman Empire, Bosra was capital of the Roman province Arabia Petraea. The city flourished and became a major metropolis at the juncture of several trade routes, including the Roman road to the Red Sea.)(By Suppanut)
    152)Qataban			Tamna			arabia		no			(The capital of Qataban was named Timna and was located on the trade route which passed through the other kingdoms of Hadramaut, Sheba and Ma'in. It was the most prominent Yemeni kingdom in the 2nd half of the 1st millennium BCE, when its ruler held the title of the South Arabian hegemon, MKRB.)(by Suppanut)
    153)Hadramaut			Sabata			arabia		no			???
    154)Locus_Gerraei		Gerra			arabia		no			(Gerrha was the center of an Arab kingdom from approximately 650 BC to circa 300 AD)
    155)Maketa			Omana			arabia		no			(One of the earliest Roman historians to mention Oman is Yalainous, who lived from 23-79 AD. He presents in his writings a city which he names Omana. This name also recurs in Ptolemy. Some historians identify this Omana of Ptolemy as the city of Sohar, which was the pre-eminent trading center of Arabia in the classical age of Islam.)(by Suppanut)
    156)Zufar			Ubar			arabia		no			(lost city in Arab legend just rediscovered by NASA satellites in 1980s.)(by Suppanut)
    166)Mauretania_Tingitana	Tingi			west africa	no			(Tingi is an ancient Phoenician town, founded by Carthaginian colonists in the early 5th century BC. The commercial town of Tingis came under Roman rule in the course of the 1st century BC, first as a free city and then, under Augustus, a colony, capital of Mauritania Tingitana of Hispania.)(by Suppanut)
    170)Tripolitania		Lepcis_Magna		west africa	no			(One of the leading cities of Roman Africa and a major trading post but gain prominent long later after game period.)(by Suppanut)
    171)Mauretania_Massaesili	Siga			west africa	?			???
    172)Cydamae			Cydaus			west africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(find no significant data)
    174)Mauretania_Salditana	Saldae			west africa	no			(A minor port in Carthaginian and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    175)Tripolitania_Minor		Sabratha		west africa	no			(Sabratha was the westernmost of the "three cities" of Tripolis. Sabratha's port was established, perhaps about 500 BC, as a Phoenician trading-post that served as a coastal outlet for the products of the African hinterland. Sabratha became part of the short-lived Numidian Kingdom of Massinissa before being Romanized and rebuilt in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD.)(by Suppanut)
    181)Marmarica			Paraetonium		east africa	no			(A minor port in Hellenistic and Roman times.)(by Suppanut)
    182)Nubia			Pselchis		east africa	no			???(find no significant data)
    183)Locus_Blemmye		Campus_Blemmye		east africa	no			(All "Campus_"(Camp) should not grow into Huge City)(by Suppanut)
    184)Kush			Meroe			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Meroë was the southern capital of the Kushite Kingdom, or Napata/Meroitic Kingdom, that spanned the period c. 800 BC - c. 350 AD. Meroe eventually settled down to a healthy trading relationship with Rome and the Mediterranean. However, the kingdom of Meroe began to fade as a power by the first or second century AD, sapped by the war with Roman Egypt and the decline of its traditional industries.)(by Suppanut)
    185)Oasis_Magna			Hibis			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(Oasis settlement)(by Suppanut)
    186)Azania			Opone			east africa	no			(In ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea, Azania, the Roman Empire and elsewhere, as it possessed a strategic location along the coastal route from Azania to the Red Sea.)(by Suppanut)
    187)Ethiopia			Axum			east africa	no			(no hidden resource "fertile)(by Suppanut)
    189)Paropamisadae		Kophen			baktria		?			???(find no significant data)	
    190)Gedrosia			Pura			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    192)Sattagydia			Opiana			india		no			(find no significant data of this old infertile satrap)
    195)Gaetulia			Dimmidi			uncapturable	no
    196)Arabia			Gorda			uncapturable	no
    
    total			=196
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    Caesar: Here is the list of city I want you to add huge city resource(which currently=58 settlement with it).
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    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		yes			(a Gaulish oppidum or fortified city, was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hillforts in Gaul.)(by CaesarVincens)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		yes			(Capital of Arverni, the tribe which once dominate Gauls.)(by CaesarVincens)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(Old Capital of Media and second capital of Parthia, have religious important.)(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(Roman' Gate to the east, city was turned into important port/commercial/industrial center by Romans rise.)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(Rich city which rival to Athens in its wealth and importance.)(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	yes			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
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    Everyone: I want you all to discuss about cities in this list, which should be huge city and which should be not.
    Code:
    maybe			=9
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		maybe			(greek colony with high civilized influence. City even have curia and basilica.)(by Suppanut)
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		maybe			(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    157)Assyria			Hatra			levant		maybe			(Hatra was founded as an Assyrian city by the Seleucid Empire[1] some time in the 3rd century BCE. A religious and trading centre of the Parthian empire, it flourished during the 1st and 2nd centuries BCE. Hatra became an important fortified frontier city and withstood repeated attacks by the Roman Empire.)(by Suppanut)
    165)Characene			Charax			mesopotemia	maybe			(Charax was a rich port with ships arriving regularly from Gerrha, Egypt, India, and beyond. It was also the beginning of the overland trade route from the Persian Gulf to Petra and Palmyra. It became a centre for Arab trade, largely controlled by the Nabataeans, at least until they became assimilated by the Romans in 106 CE.)(by Suppanut)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)
    
    no/maybe		=4
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	no/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		no/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    167)Numidia			Cirta			west africa	no/maybe		(Capital of Kingdom of Numidia, not only was Cirta an important economic site, it was also a key political and military spot within the African kingdoms. Caesar's conquest of Northern Africa officially brought Cirta under Roman rule in 46 B.C.)(by Suppanut)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	no/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
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    I was thinking that maybe we should include Tanais to those huge cities because it was an important coastal city, not in the middle of the steppes, and there was also a strong Greek influence to support urban life.

    Tanais : an ancient Greek colony on the river Don. The city was founded in the 3rd century BC and within a short period of time it became the biggest center of trade between Greeks and the nomads of the steppes. At the turn of two cultures - Ancient Greece and Nomads - a new original culture was born. It had a great impact on the nations of Eastern Europe.

    Emporion : situated as it was on the commercial route between Massalia and Tartessos, the city developed into a large economic and commercial centre as well as being the largest Greek colony in the Iberian Peninsula.

    If we add these two and those three settlements with special buildings (Thermon, Siwa, Carna), then the number of the huge cities would be 70.

    In the case of Cirta, I was thinking that if Hippo Regius is a huge city then there wouldn´t be enough population for two in that region, and Hippo Regius has a better location e.g. because of harbour.

    In the case of Sicily we decided that Syracuse would be the only huge city there, but hopefully it doesn´t make Carthaginians too weak if Lilybauem is a little smaller like it has to be according to actual history. Sicily is surely one of the central battlefields in the game, so we should be careful with the balance of power here.

    In the case of Hatra I´ve been thinking about its good trade location between Antioch and Seleucia, but maybe the enviroment there is a little bit too harsh for a huge city. In the later history it became an important fortified frontier city between the Romans and Parthians. So, I am not sure it should qualify as a huge city just because of the location. Charax had also some potential, but I think if it shouldn´t be a huge city comparing its neighbours like Susa.

    Finally if we try to keep the number of huge cities around 70-75 /196, it would give them some extra value in the game.

    Luc.
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    Here is current list of should be include in huge city.
    Code:
    yes(not yet included)	=9
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		yes			(greek colony with high civilized influence. City even have curia and basilica.)(by Suppanut)
    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		yes			(a Gaulish oppidum or fortified city, was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hillforts in Gaul.)(by CaesarVincens)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		yes			(Capital of Arverni, the tribe which once dominate Gauls.)(by CaesarVincens)
    69)Maeotis			Tanais			steppe		yes			(an ancient Greek colony on the river Don. The city was founded in the 3rd century BC and within a short period of time it became the biggest center of trade between Greeks and the nomads of the steppes. At the turn of two cultures - Ancient Greece and Nomads - a new original culture was born. It had a great impact on the nations of Eastern Europe.)(by Archbaker&LucretiusTC)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(Old Capital of Media and second capital of Parthia, have religious important.)(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(Roman' Gate to the east, city was turned into important port/commercial/industrial center by Romans rise.)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(Rich city which rival to Athens in its wealth and importance.)(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	yes			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    Here is settlement which need to be decide their fate.
    Code:
    maybe			=6
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    145)Cyprus			Salamis			cyprus		maybe			(In Roman times, Salamis was part of the Roman province of Cilicia. The seat of the governor was relocated to Paphos. The town suffered heavily during the Jewish rising of AD 116/117. Although Salamis ceased to be the capital of Cyprus from the Hellenistic period onwards when it was replaced by Paphos, its wealth and importance did not diminish.)(by Suppanut)
    194)Arachosia			Alexandropolis		india		maybe			(Modern day Kandahar, the city has been a frequent target for conquest because of its strategic location in Southern Asia, controlling the main trade route linking the Indian subcontinent with the Middle East, Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.)(by Suppanut)
    Here is list of should be included as huge city due to current feature of special temples.
    Code:
    no/maybe		=3
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	no/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		no/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	no/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
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    About those 6 settlements that are left to decide, I think, Cyprus (Salamis) probably hadn´t enough population for a huge city, and it was quite mountaineous there. Alexandropolis (Arachosia) probably shouldn´t be a huge city at least comparing to the big cities in the Indus valley.

    Zadracarta (Hyrcania) seems to have quite favourable conditions for a huge city, even though Hyrcania was also a frontier province that was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries.

    In the case of ancient Gabae I was thinking that if we want to maintain some regional differences then the huge cities of that region could be Istakhr, Hecatompylos, Zadracarta and Gabae, but maybe Harmozia should be a little bit smaller then. In the later history near ancient Gabae was a famous city known as Isfahan, so maybe we should change Harmozia to Gabae as a huge city?

    Apollonia (Illyria; slave trade, agriculture, large harbour) probably had a good potential to grow a huge city.

    Avaricum seems to also an important centre for the Gauls, and had a potential to grow.

    This doesn´t have to be a final list if there is a need to make changes for instance for the gameplay reasons, but I have tried to find out some historical and geographical justications for those choices.

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    Here is current list about adding huge city resource.

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    yes(not yet included)	=9
    29)Ceretania			Emporion		iberia		yes			(greek colony with high civilized influence. City even have curia and basilica.)(by Suppanut)
    36)Aeduia			Bibracte		gauls		yes			(a Gaulish oppidum or fortified city, was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hillforts in Gaul.)(by CaesarVincens)
    51)Arvernia			Gergovia		gauls		yes			(Capital of Arverni, the tribe which once dominate Gauls.)(by CaesarVincens)
    69)Maeotis			Tanais			steppe		yes			(an ancient Greek colony on the river Don. The city was founded in the 3rd century BC and within a short period of time it became the biggest center of trade between Greeks and the nomads of the steppes. At the turn of two cultures - Ancient Greece and Nomads - a new original culture was born. It had a great impact on the nations of Eastern Europe.)(by Archbaker&LucretiusTC)
    102)Cilicia			Tarsus			anatolia	yes			(some reputation as center of learning)(by Archbaker)
    116)Media			Ecbatana		persia		yes			(Old Capital of Media and second capital of Parthia, have religious important.)(to support Special temple "The Temple of Anahita at Ecbatana")(by Suppanut)
    133)Achaia			Patras			hellenic	yes			(to support 7 wonders)(Roman' Gate to the east, city was turned into important port/commercial/industrial center by Romans rise.)(by Suppanut)
    134)Arcadia			Corinth			hellenic	yes			(Rich city which rival to Athens in its wealth and importance.)(to support Special temple "Sanctuary of Asklepios")(by Suppanut)
    173)Locus_Massyli		Hippo_Regius		west africa	yes			(Hippo Regius was a major city in Roman Africa. In even earlier days, the city was a royal residence for Numidian kings.)(by Suppanut)
    
    maybe			=4
    52)Biturigia			Avaricum		gauls		maybe			(Avaricum was an oppidum in ancient Gaul, near what is now the city of Bourges. Avaricum, situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favored the oppidum, as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance. There are 40,000 life in this city dureing Caesar's Seige of Avericum which was masscared with only 8,000 could escaped.)(by Suppanut)
    64)Dalmatia			Apollonia		illyria		maybe			(huge harbour and relatively large)(by Archbaker)
    118)Hyrcania			Zadracarta		persia		maybe			(The Persians considered Hyrcania one of "the good lands and countries" which their supreme god Ahura Mazda had created personally. To the northeast, Hyrcania was open to the Central Asian steppes, where nomadic tribes had been living for centuries. Vital to Parthia, situated between their Parthian territories and their homeland on the steppe. It is certain that the Parthian kings used a Hyrcanian town as their summer residence(Imperial Palace?).)(by Suppanut)
    119)Tabiena			Gabae			persia		maybe			(Today Isfahan, Gabae was the centre and capital city of a large province, which was administered by Arsacid governors. The town commanded the main roads to Susa in Elam, Ecbatana in Media, and Persepolis in Persis. The town was a provincial capital in Parthian times and received its current name Isfahan in the age of the Sasanians.)(by Suppanut)
    
    no/maybe		=3
    136)Aetolia			Thermon			hellenic	no/maybe		(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Delphi")(by Suppanut)	
    150)Main			Carna			arabia		no/maybe		(to support Special temple "Kaaba of Mecca")(by Suppanut)
    178)Libya			Siwa			east africa	no/maybe		(Oasis settlement)(The oracle temple of Ammon (Zeus Ammon) was already famous during the time of Herodotus. Prior to his campaign of conquest in Persia Alexander the Great reached the oasis, the oracle is said to have confirmed him as both a divine personage and the legitimate Pharaoh of Egypt. The Romans later used Siwa as a place of banishment.)(to support Special temple "The Oracle of Amon at Siwa")(by Suppanut)
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    Here are some speculations and suggestions about those Huge Cities.

    I think these five settlements in Gallia Transalpine would have chances to become as huge cities. This combination should have certain historical and geographical reasons, and this should also support quite well the gameplay, that is a survival of the Gauls in the early game.
    • Tolosa - archaeologists say it was one of the most important cities in Gaul, and certainly it was famed in pre-Roman times for being the wealthiest one. There were many gold and silver mines nearby, and the offerings to the holy shrines and temples in Tolosa had accumulated a tremendous wealth in the city.
    • Cenabum - This port was the commercial outlet for the grain produced in an historical region in northern France, located between the Seine and Loire rivers. The city had strong fortifications, and also controlled a bridge over the Loire, of considerable economic and strategic importance.
    • Avaricum - situated in the lands of the Biturges, was the largest and best-fortified town within their territory, situated on very fertile lands. The terrain favoured the oppidum (the large pre-Roman town) as it was flanked by a river and marshland, with only a single narrow entrance.
    • Gergovia – The chief town of the Arverni who were a very powerful tribe living in Auvergne. They had been the most powerful Gallic tribe in the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC under their king.
    • Bibracte - a Gallic oppidum or fortified city was the capital of the Aedui and one of the most important hill forts in Gaul.
    Besides those Greek coastal cities Massalia and Emporion, and Mediolanum in Gallia Cisalpine should belong to those huge cities too when we think about the bigger region. Further in the east Aquincum would be a Huge city too.

    • Salona – I made some checking with a map, and I noticed that the other city of Illyrians is not Apollonia, but Salona. I think we should give Salona a status as a Large City because the Illyrians had a little bit remote location and that region was less urbanized.
    • Ambracia – Epirus was a rugged and mountainous region, and Epirotes lived in small villages unlike most other Greeks of the time. On the other hand Ambracia has a special building (the Oracle of Dodona). I think Ambracia should probably be a Large City comparing to the major Greek cities like Athens and Corinth. In this way we could also emphasize those local differences in Greece.

    About those big Eastern regions (east from Seleucia on the Tigris) that belong to the Seleucid Empire in the beginning of the game, I was thinking that maybe we should give the status of Huge City for these settlements: Ecbatana, Susa, Istakhr, Gabae, Zadracarta, and Merv.

    In this case e.g. Harmozia, Hecatompylos, Apamea, and Charax would have the status of Large City comparing to those neighbours. I think this kind of combination could make sense with historical speculations, geographical conditions, and the gameplay. In this way there would be also some regional differences, and those huge cities had some extra value in the game.

    So my suggestion is that Avaricum, Gabae, and Zadracarta should be Huge Cities, and Hecatompylos, Harmozia, Salona, and Ambracia would be just Large Cities.


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