Mongels... on a Jihad?!

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

So, I'm somewhat new to M2TW, and last night as the first time I played a single campaign long enough to where the Mongels start rampaging. Now, something very interesting happened to me... I'm Byzantium (yeah I fixed descr_strat so i could play any facion right away) and a Jihad was called against Constantinople. So I prepared for the Moors and Turks and Egyptians to show up.

Here's where it got weird, at least to me: I now have a powerfl Mongel army beseiging my capitol, and it's part of the Jihad! And I checked the religion of the Mongels, and they are Islamic...?! WTF? Is this glitch or is that the way it should be? (I'm playing with retrofit mod with the units add-on for it).

If you know anything about this time in history you'll understand why this seems bonkers...

[roy34543]

They are Islamic. Historically its wierd because they originally werent. But its an easy way to overcome the limitations of the engine.
Simply put you cant have a faction thats part Islamic and Part Christian and part Pagan as a whole. Because their leaders were mostly Islamic later on they were put as islam for ease. You cant have pagan as a religion too easily and it seemed it wasnt worth it to create a new religion for a unplayable faction like them.

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

They are Islamic. Historically its wierd because they originally werent. But its an easy way to overcome the limitations of the engine.
Simply put you cant have a faction thats part Islamic and Part Christian and part Pagan as a whole. Because their leaders were mostly Islamic later on they were put as islam for ease. You cant have pagan as a religion too easily and it seemed it wasnt worth it to create a new religion for a unplayable faction like them.

Bah, figured as much. I can understand why they did what they did. Would have been nice if they could have at last hard-coded the Mongel AI to ignore Jihads.

[roy34543]

They join them only really rarely. And they could have potentially joined them. Its nto as if Jihads are super-realistic as it is.

[KoS]

I didn't even know that the Mongols could join a jihad. Must be due to the fact that they are Islamic in the game. It's never happened to me, though.

[MonkeyD]

Owch, just thinking about how many of their stacks could join a Jihad hurts my head.......

[KoS]

Owch, just thinking about how many of their stacks could join a Jihad hurts my head.......

Damn... okay, screw that, I AM glad that that's never happened to me, lol.

[Mithrane]

And just imagine all of the chevrons of experience they would gain from a successful Jihad. "75,000 of your troops in 1,125 stacks have gained experience from participating in a successful Jihad! Congratulations! Now go claim the coast of Normandy in the name of Islam. Nothing can stop you now!"

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

And just imagine all of the chevrons of experience they would gain from a successful Jihad. "75,000 of your troops in 1,125 stacks have gained experience from participating in a successful Jihad! Congratulations! Now go claim the coast of Normandy in the name of Islam. Nothing can stop you now!"

lol i can't stop laughing

[Samir]

well I personally think that it would be much easier to fight Ghazis and Kwarizidinsbums infantry than Mongol infantry and cavalry, so yeah they should go on a jihad and recruit those fanatic but weak infantry that are so easy to ride over!

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

well I personally think that it would be much easier to fight Ghazis and Kwarizidinsbums infantry than Mongol infantry and cavalry, so yeah they should go on a jihad and recruit those fanatic but weak infantry that are so easy to ride over!

thats the thing though, it was stacks and stacks of mongol specific units on jihad.

oh and they won. hands down. man was i pissed....

[Cmdr_Sdxo]

In my campaigns, both the Mongols and Timurids join pretty much every Jihad that gets called. That's pretty scary when it happens even though they tend to recruit Ghazis and Mutaw'wia(or whatever the guys that look like Fred Flintstone put on a berber costume were called) what are much,much, weaker than the troops they'd normally use :hmmm: .

[nodey]

OMG there are mongels in this game?!!

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

OMG there are mongels in this game?!!

i was too lazy to correct my spelling error.

clever joke though.

[Gornard]

The mongels always went of jihads in my last campaign. After they settled, a few turns later there was a jihad to bagdhad (must have rebelled) which they sent a tiny army too along with a token force from every other islamic nation, hovering around the target untill they eventually decided to take it.
Later on they sent 2 of there high exp starting stacks to constantinople on a jihad (this time with no help from the others). They took it from hungry and ended up with 2 armies all with gold cheverons.

[boerekovic]

How can people write MONGELS even if EVERYWHERE they are called Mongols?
How?

[Ex Tenebris Lux]

How can people write MONGELS even if EVERYWHERE they are called Mongols?
How?

enough already. seriously.

[Gornard]

it was in the topic title, i didn't think...sorry