Is a compromise of a religion impossible?

[Axeman]

Ignoring what people think about it for the moment , would comprimising on the issues of a religion undermine it? For example , evolution. Its no secret its almost completely proven to be facts , yet I know many Christians who claim to be christian and claim to believe in evolution . So is it not impossible that god took that first atom , split it in half and he created the big bang? Who knows....

[PointOfViewGun]

I think it's highly possible. It wouldn't have to be a compromise either. We simply believe that God created life either in the form of a human or the most simplest one-cell form. Even though I believe in Big Bang, I have doubts about the creation of life through complete possibility of certain molecules coming together.

[Pyrebound]

Then you would need a new religion for that, as it conflicts with bible etc, right?

[MaximiIian]

Then you would need a new religion for that, as it conflicts with bible etc, right?

Not necessarily. All religious texts and teachings can be interpreted in ways that are nonliteral, which can accommodate contemporary scientific knowledge. It just takes thought, which sadly many people neglect to do.

i believe people created religion

Well, of course. Religion is a human institution. I don't think anyone denies that.
I think that the gods exist irrespective of human interpretation of them, but they have in a way intangibly blessed Earth and life on it. But, I think that they manifest themselves as nature, not separate from nature, which is in a way a form of pantheism or more accurately panentheism. So, I don't think they actually "created" the universe via the big bang, but exist mainly as an intangible energetic forms outside the universe; and I think they more of influence rather than control the universe, though that influence is powerful of course.

[sirfiggin]

1. Will people please stop the "it couldn't have happened by chance" line, natural selection is NOT about random chance (it is mainly about it but in the same way gas diffusion and osmosis are)
2.the only people in the world who are allowed to make compromises in religious teaching and practice are RE teachers PERIOD.

[PointOfViewGun]

1. Will people please stop the "it couldn't have happened by chance" line, natural selection is NOT about random chance (it is mainly about it but in the same way gas diffusion and osmosis are)
2.the only people in the world who are allowed to make compromises in religious teaching and practice are RE teachers PERIOD.

Well there is a very large(a huge one) between random molecules and a collection of molecules that could create organisms with certain functions and features.

[AqD]

Well there is a very large(a huge one) between random molecules and a collection of molecules that could create organisms with certain functions and features.

There is also a very large difference between a computer and a spear. One is made by elements that people in 10,000 years ago cannot possibly understand, while the other is just a piece of wood plus metal head.

But computer is not made by god, it's made by humans.

The scale of difference doesn't matter.
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[PointOfViewGun]

There is also a very large difference between a computer and a spear. One is made by elements that people in 10,000 years ago cannot possibly understand, while the other is just a piece of wood plus metal head.

But computer is not made by god, it's made by humans.

The scale of difference doesn't matter.

It does. The difference between life and a solid object is not comparable to anything else. Then we should have the medium product too as simple molecules transforming into single-cell life forms would also require the steps between. Science shows that we can't go up to the 100th step without taking the steps in between. A simple or a complex molecule is at step 1 and the simplest lifeforms are at step 100th yet there is nothing between.

[sirfiggin]

Then we should have the medium product too as simple molecules transforming into single-cell life forms would also require the steps between. Science shows that we can't go up to the 100th step without taking the steps in between. A simple or a complex molecule is at step 1 and the simplest lifeforms are at step 100th yet there is nothing between.

The simple steps are viruses , "life" becomes incredibly hard to define at that level, the amino acids produced by living cells may be made in conditions that mimic those of the early earth when they first formed, the main problem with organic molecules coming together now is that a microorganism will probably eat it.

[Born To Folk]

i believe people created religon (but i still celebrate christmas obviously!) but i have got no problem with people who are religious because that is there view and there opinion

[Ragabash]

Ignoring what people think about it for the moment , would comprimising on the issues of a religion undermine it? For example , evolution. Its no secret its almost completely proven to be facts , yet I know many Christians who claim to be christian and claim to believe in evolution . So is it not impossible that god took that first atom , split it in half and he created the big bang? Who knows....

Is it possible, yes, is it plausible, no. Is it possible that there was no God that created Big Bang, yes, is it plausible, yes.

[Born To Folk]

i agree with Ragabash rep me for agreeing with you now!

[Georgy Zhukov]

Being a reform Jew I believe that God caused the Big Bang, and let our universe be on its merry way . . . .

[Tankbuster]

Ignoring what people think about it for the moment , would comprimising on the issues of a religion undermine it? For example , evolution. Its no secret its almost completely proven to be facts , yet I know many Christians who claim to be christian and claim to believe in evolution . So is it not impossible that god took that first atom , split it in half and he created the big bang? Who knows....

A compromise in religion is, apparently, impossible, since it hasn't happened yet.

Hell, a couple of weeks ago, the Vatican started saying that there might be aliens, but that they don't have sins, since they didn't originate from Adam and Eve etc etc... They could've said "The people who wrote the Bible couldn't grasp the idea that there were aliens, they simply had no idea", but alas, that's a step too far for them.

Every compromise is a blow to infallibility, which is sadly one of the things religion claims to have.

[Code_Knight]

Ignoring what people think about it for the moment , would comprimising on the issues of a religion undermine it? For example , evolution. Its no secret its almost completely proven to be facts , yet I know many Christians who claim to be christian and claim to believe in evolution . So is it not impossible that god took that first atom , split it in half and he created the big bang? Who knows....

I agree that you can't agree with Evolution if you are a Christian, but where do you get the idea that Evolution is almost fact? Evolution has huge gaps in it and can be proven to be "scientific".

[Tankbuster]

I agree that you can't agree with Evolution if you are a Christian, but where do you get the idea that Evolution is almost fact? Evolution has huge gaps in it and can be proven to be "scientific".

Well, it's been around for a couple of hundreds of years, hasn't been proven wrong, makes correct predictions, has led to the discovery of the phylogenetic tree, doesn't conflict with any of the evidence we know have,...

So I think that by now, it's safe to say that it's 99,9999999% true.

EDIT: The concept, at least.

[Gwendylyn]

I agree that you can't agree with Evolution if you are a Christian, but where do you get the idea that Evolution is almost fact? Evolution has huge gaps in it and can be proven to be "scientific".

Geez. Someone can believe that aliens created humans and still be Christian. All you need to do is believe that Jesus is divine. Everything else just falls into the No True Scotsman fallacy, i.e. "A real Christian doesn't believe in evolution!" when in reality at least half of the American Christians do.

[Code_Knight]

Geez. Someone can believe that aliens created humans and still be Christian. All you need to do is believe that Jesus is divine. Everything else just falls into the No True Scotsman fallacy, i.e. "A real Christian doesn't believe in evolution!" when in reality at least half of the American Christians do.

That doesn't mean their right. Christians also believe the Old Testament, which states that God created the Heavens and the Earth.

[Gwendylyn]

That doesn't mean their right. Christians also believe the Old Testament, which states that God created the Heavens and the Earth.

Some.

Not all Christians believe in the old testament, not all Christians believe everything in the old testament, and not all Christians believe the Bible is a literal truth.

Hence, "believing the old testament" cannot be a -necessary- part of the definition of Christian.

[Code_Knight]

Some.

Not all Christians believe in the old testament, not all Christians believe everything in the old testament, and not all Christians believe the Bible is a literal truth.

Hence, "believing the old testament" cannot be a -necessary- part of the definition of Christian.

Like I said, just because they believe that, doesn't make them right. Jesus is God, God is Jesus, why would God state 10 commandments if he didn't want them to be followed. The only thing that he make obsolete was the processes of forgiveness from the old testament.