CHRIST Vista is a POS

[Kanaric]

I work on call at a few offices for side jobs and ANOTHER bought computers with Vista on them. The last office that did this was a nightmare, but I thought that since SP1 was out that it would be easy to migrate these people.

GOD WAS I WRONG.

They bought Sony laptops for the salesmen, not my choice for a company but they did listen to me when I said get 3GB or more ram. Since they didn't buy dell they couldn't ask for XP, which is what I recommended.

These computers show up as having only 35% of their ram used (a lot for having 3gb but its vista so its normal) and no CPU usage but Office is a DOG. This is a clear install, no bloatware at all on the machine no viruses as they never have even been online. I disabled superfetching, and that idiotic pointless security thing that XP worked fine without STILL slow.

Is there an issue with Office 2003 (ALL of the office software) and Vista that I dont know about? They have SP3 for office installed so whatever compatibility issed should of been resolved with that.

I am just sooooo tired of Vista... it has NO PLACE in an office environment and adds nothing of importance aside from idiotware for computer illiterates who do things "on accident" and graphics for kiddies to post their desktop screenshots on forums.

If anyone has any suggestions please i can use the help. I work on vista a lot lately, the only issues i get are from people WITH Vista so i've seen the most insane problems that I NEVER have seen since even Windows 95 and DOS but nothing to do with simple productivity software running slowly on a fresh install on whats basically a high end gaming computer.




All the office programs run generally slow, outlook opening attachments, typing, if you move the mouse from the screen showing that "bar" mouse icon and moving it to close the program the bar icon stays and it will not close the app saying "not respondign". Its doing this with ALL of the computers as well that they bought. All Sony laptops.

I have seen so many problems with this OS I think if I shared my experiences I could scare anyong on this forum away from it, this is a nightmare... at least it keeps me paid for now.

[Kanaric]

lol, in word if you start typing it freezes the entire program.... seriously.

Heres what i've done so far:
Disabled Search service - garbage vista service that usually slows thing
Made sure no anti-virus is installed or addins (clean install)
disable superfetching service - garbage vista service that usually slows things and uses a gang amount of ram.
reinstalled office
removed normal.dot

none of those ideas worked. It happens as soon as this app loads as well, like if you open word typing will lag behind and even freeze the program to a point where you have to kill it.

[fatsheep]

Seriously? With 3 Gbs of RAM? I got a tablet with Vista and it runs pretty well. It has 3 Gb RAM, 2.4 Ghz Conroe, and 128 mb ATI X2300 graphics. Vista seems kinda bloated to me and I have a lot of stuff running I don't need usually but it still comes through. I haven't run into any serious problems like word freezing when you type.

Are you sure there aren't other problems like hardware? What are your specs?

Oh and Microsoft must be destroyed. Get Ubuntu Linux.

[HorseArcher]

lol, in word if you start typing it freezes the entire program.... seriously.

Heres what i've done so far:
Disabled Search service - garbage vista service that usually slows thing
Made sure no anti-virus is installed or addins (clean install)
disable superfetching service - garbage vista service that usually slows things and uses a gang amount of ram.
reinstalled office
removed normal.dot

none of those ideas worked. It happens as soon as this app loads as well, like if you open word typing will lag behind and even freeze the program to a point where you have to kill it.

Windows Vista is good enough for Intel (NSDQ:INTC)-powered PCs, just not good enough for Intel employees. At least not yet.

Intel appears to be sticking with Microsoft's Windows XP operating system for most of its 80,000 employees until the next release of the OS, code-named Windows 7, is released, perhaps in 2010.

But Intel's inaction regarding Vista is likely to be seen as an embarrassment for Microsoft. A source close to Intel told The New York TImes that the company "found no compelling case for adopting Vista."


Many solution providers have said they've ripped Vista out of new PCs and "downgraded" to XP, which was released in 2001. Just last week,Dell (NSDQ: Dell) delayed its self-imposed deadline for selling PCs preloaded with XP until yesterday from earlier in the month.

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[fatsheep]

http://www.crn.com/software/208801316

That's great.

Billy Gates must be ashamed. I don't mind Vista but for how long it took it wasn't that big of an improvement unless shiny graphics are your thing... It definitely wasn't as big an improvement from Win 98 to Win XP...

[Tankbuster]

That's great.

Billy Gates must be ashamed. I don't mind Vista but for how long it took it wasn't that big of an improvement unless shiny graphics are your thing... It definitely wasn't as big an improvement from Win 98 to Win XP...

Before the service packs, XP sucked way worse then Vista does now.

[fatsheep]

Before the service packs, XP sucked way worse then Vista does now.

I used XP when it first came out and I never had any of the problems described here. I also never heard the widespread loathing of the new Operating System that we have seen with Vista. Did many people buy XP and then downgrade to Win 98? I don't remember many doing that...

[GrnEyedDvl]

Disabling superfetch will actually make the machine slower. Its not USING that RAM, not exactly, it has it reserved and premapped for the applications that run the most.

Peoples problem with Vista is more related to trying to treat it like XP. Learning how the new system works instead of trying to make it like XP will save you tons of headaches.

I have several dozen machines running Vista with no issues at all.

[Roman Clone]

He can't even use Vista for simple office programs.....

Vista is now such a failure it needs another table to allow it more failure points.

[GrnEyedDvl]

As I said, I am using Vista for a lot of things, other than initial driver issues I am having no problems. I even have a few machines running beta tests on software that is not supposed to run on Vista, and they are running fine.

As far as office programs go, I do think the new Office 07 blows, but it blows on Vista and XP both.

[Simetrical]

disable superfetching service - garbage vista service that usually slows things and uses a gang amount of ram.

SuperFetch does not use any additional RAM at all. If you think it does, please make sure you understand what an operating system disk cache is. SuperFetch almost certainly only speeds things up. (It will increase disk usage, but hypothetically only when the disk is idle.)

Let me challenge you: give me a single well-conducted benchmark that shows a decrease in performance with SuperFetch enabled.

As far as office programs go, I do think the new Office 07 blows, but it blows on Vista and XP both.

On the other hand, apparently it was a big commercial success, despite a lot of critical derision.

[GrnEyedDvl]

On the other hand, apparently it was a big commercial success, despite a lot of critical derision.

Oh I know people who like it too, I just dont happen to. I dont like the new interface with all the Aero style buttons and crap like that. The menu items are totally redone so they are in different places so it took me a while to find them all. The new styles are pretty good though.

My biggest issue is with the new Access though. They tried to make it easier by dumbing it down for people, and they ended up making it harder to use if you actually know how a database is structured. It tries to do a lot of things automatically like assigning a Primary Key and setting up table relationships, but it does so using Microsoft rules not standard Best Practices. It can be turned off but its a pain in the ass, and it took me a while to find it as its under the Popular Settings. Even worse is the fact that it automatically changes relationships set up in older versions of Access when you open the file, without asking you.

It doesnt save the changes until you save the database, but if you just open it up with that setting on and look through it things are all screwed up.

You can turn that off too, but they should at least warn you.

[mrmouth]

As far as office programs go, I do think the new Office 07 blows, but it blows on Vista and XP both.

I ran office '07 and went back to '03 because it was that slow and cumbersome. Thank the stars I hung on to '03.

[Simetrical]

Anyone who knows what they're doing should probably avoid Access like the plague anyway, from what I've heard. At least for nontrivial applications. Haven't tried it myself, though.

[GrnEyedDvl]

Access is good for a few things. I dont use it but I have some clients that do. Setting up a sequel server would be a waste of resources, especially when the guy that uses it the most is usually roving on a laptop with intermittent internet access.

[BeastG33]

I've been running Vista Ultimate and Office 2007 for about a year now. I've encountered no problems what so ever. Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and Outlook all run fine. As a matter of fact, I never had any problems with Vista - ever.

Wish I could be more of help.

[Simetrical]

People definitely did with ME and 98, but then, in retrospect that was the correct decision. I don't specifically recall any of this being said about XP, no, except of course for the usual driver problems, but I could easily be forgetting.

[Thor the Bassist]

XP wasn't cumbersome just buggy and had driver problems. Driver problems can be expected with a new OS and bugginess can be sorted out with updates. Vista is cumbersome and badly designed never mind the actual bad execution that Microsoft went through to make the operating system.

I'd like to see microsoft try to develop something fast with performance in mind. The OS should just be a skeleton so it doesn't hog the computer IMHO.

[snuggans]

maybe its the relatively new hardware but vista is and has been fine since i've installed it. again, the only cons would have to be UAC and some issues with backward compatibility in gaming.

[Thor the Bassist]

maybe its the relatively new hardware but vista is and has been fine since i've installed it. again, the only cons would have to be UAC and some issues with backward compatibility in gaming.

I expect new hardware would make quite a huge difference.