Why I think the AOR is one of brokan crecents best assets

[knight of virtue and valor]

I LOVE this mod when I want to be a knight in shining Armour I play ss6.1 but when i feel like going east I go for bc without a second thought now if only the two could be put together that would pe perfect but thats just wishful thinking on my part . now i would just like to say that the aor is awesome now if I try to play vanilla I end up switching back to bc or at least SS.6.1 because as soon as I capture a settlement in the middle of the desert I get English heavy swords men. thank you bc team!

[Bull]

Definitely, and I think the new auxillary system is going to be even better.
I liked SS as well, but SS doesn't do enough justice to the Muslim factions.

[Marcus Septim IV]

Why I think the AOR is one of brokan crecents best assets

because it isn't seriusly i dont like the system at all as indian faction as soon as i get out of indian territory i cant recruit at all....maybe the new system is going to be much better or same

(my opinion of course)

[Bull]

because it isn't seriusly i dont like the system at all as indian faction as soon as i get out of indian territory i cant recruit at all....maybe the new system is going to be much better or same

(my opinion of course)

So you prefer to conquer a castle in the Omani desert and be able to produce elephants and indian swordsman the next turn?

[Ahiga]

I think while AOR is a necessary feature, it was in hindsight not a good idea to feature no sort of system for recruitment outside of that region.

Marcus Septim IV: The system will be like that, but you will get thorough recruitment options outside of your homeland.

[anaztazioch]

I think while AOR is a necessary feature, it was in hindsight not a good idea to feature no sort of system for recruitment outside of that region.

Marcus Septim IV: The system will be like that, but you will get thorough recruitment options outside of your homeland.

Agreed.
No recruitment allowed incastles is not a good thing. Only regional levies in cities.
I dont know how are you going to fix it, but i would say - Get Faris Axemans out of Tyre ! And give Abbassid bigger roster in Aleppo, as they have to capture all the way to Antioch.

[oou420]

I like AOR, it adds realism to the game. it isn't much of a problem either, if you know how to set up supply lines of reinforcements.
however, the culture idea from the brittania campaign in kingdoms is better. maybe add culture as well as religion, and make the recruitment of your units depend on those factors?

[Himitu]

AOR is better

[knight of virtue and valor]

tis true! I mean in vanilla your lets say, the Egyptians and you can transport your desert faction into the alps then you look around and suddenly all of the natives want to be Arabic so they can freeze their buts off! P.S no offense to Arabs the same principles works with all factions knights go into the arid desert every body wants to be in their ovens!.

[Aurion]

because it isn't seriusly i dont like the system at all as indian faction as soon as i get out of indian territory i cant recruit at all

It's better than being able to recruit Hindu Longbowmen in Constantinople, which is the alternative.

I agree with the OP.
^Providing his grammar improves. I reserve the right to retract this statement if not.

[Marcus Septim IV]

well lets say u play as indian and u reached till constantinople but the Kypchaks are strong and the only units u can recruit are levy spearmen and levy archers ?? if there where stronger auxilary units then it would be ok but for now i dont like it

[Aurion]

If you've reached Constantinople, you'd damn well better have achieved victory.

That being said, it's called "homefield advantage". A smaller power has the advantage over a larger one whose homelands are far away, as the larger faction has to rely on locals.

Your empire is overextended if you cannot effectively defend the borders against your neighbors. In that situation, falling back to a more advantageous position would probably be the best option.

[Marcus Septim IV]

but i want more lands more power

[HammeroftheGreeks]

AOR gives you something to think about, and definitely slows down your expansion, and is pretty realistic.

Getting rid of it would ruin the mod.

[Marcus Septim IV]

i agree that the AOR system is great but there should be addet more units into it dont u think the new system looks coold but i wont pla the mod unit the new version is out...

[the_mango55]

Ah I wasn't aware that you can't have culture and religion, in that case Religion is definitely the better choice.

[Ahiga]

There may be ways to tie in culture/ethnic groups in foreign regions, to try and reflect migrations or immigration of these foreign peoples to a conquered land.

An example for the future would be some sort of building representing that migration - Armenians to Cilicia, Arabs to the Arab-garrisons that sprouted up along conquered cities during the Caliphate's Conquest (Merv I believe became an Arab hub during the Caliphate's Conquests), Crusaders to Outremer, and so on. The Early tiers of the building would take a very long time to construct, and with very limited recruitment pools & replenishment rates, it would reflect the trickle of newly arrived immigrants from the homelands. Maybe only able to recruit 1 troop of that immigrant group every 20-40 turns (10-20 years). Then later tiers of the building could take an incredibly long time, yet allow for much steadier recruitment rates.

There's a lot of ways to weasel around the limits of the engine that we'll hopefully look at in the future. Much more than new factions or map extensions it's really the veins, organs and muscles underneath the pretty surface that we need to work on.

[Maelkoch]

While I like AoR-systems, the current one in BC could use some work. It seems rather odd, that even after centuries it's impossible to recruit ("real") troops from conquered areas outside your "homeland". Perhaps the AoR could indeed be increased by buildings taking a few decades to build - not too insane building times though, considering that under the Total War-system an entire province concentrates all its efforts to one particular undertaking while ignoring everything else (so no economical development for you, fer example).

Also, "local" non-mercenary (but rather more mainstay-kind) units would be a good addition. This would represent the local populace accepting its new masters and their willingness to serve under their new masters - either that, or being forced into service - using their local military traditions.

'Tis a shame you can't have both religion and culture.

[anaztazioch]

There may be ways to tie in culture/ethnic groups in foreign regions, to try and reflect migrations or immigration of these foreign peoples to a conquered land.

An example for the future would be some sort of building representing that migration - Armenians to Cilicia, Arabs to the Arab-garrisons that sprouted up along conquered cities during the Caliphate's Conquest (Merv I believe became an Arab hub during the Caliphate's Conquests), Crusaders to Outremer, and so on. The Early tiers of the building would take a very long time to construct, and with very limited recruitment pools & replenishment rates, it would reflect the trickle of newly arrived immigrants from the homelands. Maybe only able to recruit 1 troop of that immigrant group every 20-40 turns (10-20 years). Then later tiers of the building could take an incredibly long time, yet allow for much steadier recruitment rates.

There's a lot of ways to weasel around the limits of the engine that we'll hopefully look at in the future. Much more than new factions or map extensions it's really the veins, organs and muscles underneath the pretty surface that we need to work on.

Yes, but were Merv completelly turned to Islam, or did these guy went to their own faith after islamic occupation weakened ?
Note that many provinces in Europe rejected Christianity even in 1000AD's (West pomerania as one) and pegan Lithuania surrounded by Orthdox and Catholics.

[YMIL]

Maybe you should add mercenaries based on religion per region ?