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    Why do humans have such a fascination in the impossible and otherworldly?

    It begins as a child, entranced by superheroes and monsters, watching out-of-this-world cartoons with ridiculous actions and events. I don't understand this in the first place, I've always been a lover of super-realism in fiction, ever since I was young. But for some reason this fascination doesn't rest with childhood.

    What is irrational fears and fantasies quite normal in a child (monster under the bed, tooth fairy etc.) becomes superstition for adults. As we progress through our teens we tend to shrug off old belief, realising there's no basis behind them and begin to become more rational. But some don't.

    Some cling to their childish fascination with what isn't there, in the blind hope that there might be. Ghosts, UFOs, Gods, daemons and devils. Why is there such fascination? And what justifies it in their minds?

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    Uhh.. UFO is not pure fascination, though it was...
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    Yea I think UFO is amongst those justifiable superstisions. Ghosts, Gods demons and devils however. Well they all lead to an afterlife or some kind of spiritual realm. We all like to think when we die we'll go somewhere different and live for eternity, or just have another life in reincarnation.

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    Simply because humanity's mind will always wander. Human innovation came by abstract thinking and wondering , alot of this was spirred from admiring. Do you think of Gallelio wasn't captivated by the stars he would look at them all night long?

    The same can be said in many aspects , its the human spirit to try to understand , and when it cannot understand , it often fears....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman View Post
    Simply because humanity's mind will always wander. Human innovation came by abstract thinking and wondering , alot of this was spirred from admiring. Do you think of Gallelio wasn't captivated by the stars he would look at them all night long?

    The same can be said in many aspects , its the human spirit to try to understand , and when it cannot understand , it often fears....
    I agree very much. As for religons, that come's from desperate situations and the need for hope. And Ghosts and Monsters after teen years? Probably either bored or don't want to accept something else, so result to not accepting a whole load of things. Or there just following a trend or using it to make money.

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    Uhh.. UFO is not pure fascination, though it was...
    You what? You're kidding right?
    IN the vast universe, with the chance of life as low as it is, you really think life would appear, evolve and develop to the point they come to our planet and randomly scoot around doing not much and "abducting" people?

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    Well, I think it's obvious that creative and imaginative people have an evolutionairy advantage. How can you invent things if you're not a dreamer?

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    You what? You're kidding right?
    IN the vast universe, with the chance of life as low as it is, you really think life would appear, evolve and develop to the point they come to our planet and randomly scoot around doing not much and "abducting" people?
    Well it's not impossible, but as far as we know, it hasn't happened yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    You what? You're kidding right?
    IN the vast universe, with the chance of life as low as it is, you really think life would appear, evolve and develop to the point they come to our planet and randomly scoot around doing not much and "abducting" people?
    Actually, the chance of life isn't that low - in fact, the chance of life is 100%. We're here. Life exists. The chance that there isn't any other life in the entirety of the universe is actually less than that there is; whether there is intelligent life is another matter. And as for them coming here... Einsteinian relativity kind of prevents that, since it would effectively require FTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    You what? You're kidding right?
    IN the vast universe, with the chance of life as low as it is, you really think life would appear, evolve and develop to the point they come to our planet and randomly scoot around doing not much and "abducting" people?
    1.The chance is low (not zero), but universe is infinitely big - so it's possible there are other life forms similar to us.

    2.What is life? Our definitions of life or everything are limited to our own perspective. Would bacteria see huamns as "life" forms like them? Certainly not, we're probably seen like mountains or the earth, but we're life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    1.The chance is low (not zero), but universe is infinitely big - so it's possible there are other life forms similar to us.
    Infinitely? Not the Einsteinian universe!
    But it's big, I'll tell you that.

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    2.What is life? Our definitions of life or everything are limited to our own perspective. Would bacteria see huamns as "life" forms like them? Certainly not, we're probably seen like mountains or the earth, but we're life.
    Bacteria can't think. Intelligent life forms would be everything that is... well intelligent, i.e. makes things, invents things, is conscient... No matter how big or small it is.
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    Infinitely? Not the Einsteinian universe!
    But it's big, I'll tell you that.
    But it's expanding. Since we cannot reach the border it should be infinite to us

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    Bacteria can't think. Intelligent life forms would be everything that is... well intelligent, i.e. makes things, invents things, is conscient... No matter how big or small it is.
    They cannot think but they can *recognize* similar life forms. Their inability to have our intelligence and recognize humans is just like our inability to have even higher intelligence and recognize things that we do not know.

    Such life forms cannot be proved for now, but they should exist ... according to our simple logic.
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    No, I'm sure there never were any UFOs flying around here ever. ("UFOs" never came to earth I mean). Obviously that doesn't mean there aren't any ETs out there

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    I don't know. Even now I have a fascination with ghosts and the like (especially ghost trains and ships). Perhaps its that I like a good story?

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    If you took even a moment to look at the wonders we have found , the mystery is far greater than any religion ever professed, and all that much more worthy of devotion for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    Why do humans have such a fascination in the impossible and otherworldly?

    It begins as a child, entranced by superheroes and monsters, watching out-of-this-world cartoons with ridiculous actions and events. I don't understand this in the first place, I've always been a lover of super-realism in fiction, ever since I was young. But for some reason this fascination doesn't rest with childhood.

    What is irrational fears and fantasies quite normal in a child (monster under the bed, tooth fairy etc.) becomes superstition for adults. As we progress through our teens we tend to shrug off old belief, realising there's no basis behind them and begin to become more rational. But some don't.

    Some cling to their childish fascination with what isn't there, in the blind hope that there might be. Ghosts, UFOs, Gods, daemons and devils. Why is there such fascination? And what justifies it in their minds?
    Maybe because of evolution which constantly appears in various forms, so human's mind must constantly search for that?
    Maybe because of boring?
    Maybe because human is "programmed" by some kind of force, energy, god to do that?
    Maybe because some of us humans are feeling rejected or misunderstood by society?
    Or maybe because of mental disease, psycho problems, deviations etc.?
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    We are fascinated with what we do not know. We are a curious species to begin with and our curiosity carries over to the belief if not fascination/obsession with otherwordly entities. I will admot that I can't say with any certainty whether or not spirits or ghosties exist. I've never seen one but there is no evidence that shows it is entirely out of the realm of possibility,

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    TP:
    Actually, the chance of life isn't that low - in fact, the chance of life is 100%. We're here. Life exists. The chance that there isn't any other life in the entirety of the universe is actually less than that there is; whether there is intelligent life is another matter. And as for them coming here... Einsteinian relativity kind of prevents that, since it would effectively require FTL.
    I completely agree and I was never disagreeing with this point. The chance of life other then here is not huge, intelligent life (human-level) far less then this, and that it reaches here practically impossible, if not entirely so.


    aqd:
    1.The chance is low (not zero), but universe is infinitely big - so it's possible there are other life forms similar to us.
    Never disagreed with this.

    2.What is life? Our definitions of life or everything are limited to our own perspective. Would bacteria see huamns as "life" forms like them? Certainly not, we're probably seen like mountains or the earth, but we're life.
    Bacteria are incapable of viewing things as anything at all, seeing as they do not have many senses of perception. At the most we resemble a somewhat perforated rock.
    Life: the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.
    That is life. We work on human definitions, there is nothing that can fall outside of our classifications of life and non-life.

    vecordia:
    Maybe because of evolution which constantly appears in various forms, so human's mind must constantly search for that?
    What?

    Maybe because of boring?
    Boredom, yes probably

    Maybe because human is "programmed" by some kind of force, energy, god to do that?
    The only thing we are programmed by are genes and upbringing, so no.

    Maybe because some of us humans are feeling rejected or misunderstood by society?
    Write a poem, it generally helps such disillusioned people. Blogs also seem a popular choice.

    Or maybe because of mental disease, psycho problems, deviations etc.?
    Generally discarded, though a good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    What?
    About evolution. There's no point quoting scientic info about brain construction, how it works etc. This can be found everywhere, books internet. So if you will read this you'll remind yourself (as I believe you like that kind of things so you already studied ) something about creating thoughts, ideas, decision processing in brain. Now when you know how some kind of ideas "appears" there, you can create as many of them as you want, impossible and otherworldly too. But here's the question: why do this? And this is the place for imagination. As I mentioned , maybe the evolution, power of change or whatever you call this determines you to think about irrational stuff you mentioned, instead of constantly thinking about one thing.

    I don't know what did you expect when asking about fascination of impossible and otherwordlyif not people's ideas?
    Write a poem, it generally helps such disillusioned people. Blogs also seem a popular choice.
    It suppose to sounds like misunderstood or an attempt to make fun of me or an insult or what?

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    Now when you know how some kind of ideas "appears" there, you can create as many of them as you want, impossible and otherworldly too. But here's the question: why do this? And this is the place for imagination. As I mentioned , maybe the evolution, power of change or whatever you call this determines you to think about irrational stuff you mentioned, instead of constantly thinking about one thing.
    Very true, much better worded then before. I would agree that this phenomena is most likely a side product of some kind of evolutionary advantage we have developed. The question is, which one?

    It suppose to sounds like misunderstood or an attempt to make fun of me or an insult or what?
    It's a satire of those who feel "rejected or misunderstood". Generally the opposite is true, that they have rejected or misunderstood society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    [...]The question is, which one?
    Child is growing, and his brain too, he experiences new things which brain didn't know before and many of them is becoming his passions like sport or books, etc. This process can be even controlled by putting growing human in society where are lot of "old" and "verified" passions to choice, so this young human just acquires existing things for being his "new" passions", he is to some extent forced to follow a set pattern, created in years, ages, milleniums of men's presence on the world. There is a widely choice of interests, it's only question when your brain (you) will acknowledge this thing, or that one for his "new" passion. Why we are searching for things we like at all? Do we need them or do we just following the pattern, starting from childhood? Or is it just collection of chemical reactions in body which determines to doing such .

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