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    Icon10 Hello, new here, and questions ...

    Hello,
    after playing the vanilla Rome-Total war, only modification in enabling all factions, i have mostly played for Carthage, and was quite good at it ...

    Now i made this "error" to load down Roma surrectum, playing at hard settings ...

    1st: I am blown away by the detail and the maps, along with new and more historically correct settlements - THAnK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS !

    2nd: I am always at the brink of completely losing the game as Carthage. Cities are rioting all the time, i have NO money, and i mean always.

    I began with building up crops and farms, building roads and traders and markets, if not paved streets because they still are too expensive after 50 years (!). Several settlements i got were instantly re-taken by the free people. As well i was thrown out of Sicily after only 10 turns - one turn they offered trade, next i was attacked, and i had no chance - only lost all armies . I know the original diplomacy is broke, but this can only be a violation against international public law lol.

    Next i built up a naval blockade, trying to strangle Syracuse economically. No use, there are stronger than i after all those turns, with their 5 cities and without having trade else than on Sicily (huh?). One Bireme that escaped invaded Pantelleria in one turn (i think it should be Pantelleria south of Sicily). I have less money every turn, built up mines in Iberia etc., conquered all Western Africa but one region, almost no armies but i cannot get out of the situation. This way i have to wait for 20 turns only to be able to build one paved road.

    As well i think the possibility to "produce" elephants will take place in some further 40 years, if i survive that long. And those spies and diplomats are much too expensive. With this economic model you need 100 years only to take West-Africa, let alone Sicily or parts of Spain.

    I like a challenge, but is there any idea what to do ?

    Thanks and greetings,
    Catfish
    Last edited by Hampsicora; June 21, 2008 at 03:13 PM.

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    Default Re: Hello, new here, and questions ...

    Firstly welcome its good that you enjoy the mod.
    The problem is that you have focused too much on West-Africa instead of
    Iberian and all its mining.
    You would get much more money if you focusing to take Iberian settlement and after that Sicilian.
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    Don't make armies straight away, do about 15 turns of economy building, then raise an army take a few rebel settlements, as Maxin said, take Iberia and you can get Mercenary Elephants i think, but i have many mods so not to sure

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    ya! don't listen to Templar lol.

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    Default Hmmm, thanks

    Hi,
    first thanks for your answers - cheating makes the game less interesting
    Cough
    OK, next time i will build up economy without building armies - thought it would make sense to capture western Africa first, because the free people are really strong in this almost new game. With this scum blocking all the roads economy will suffer still i think, but ...
    Thanks and greetings,
    Hampsicora

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomaVictor6969 View Post
    ya! don't listen to Templar lol.

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    Im here to serve you and all other Rs fans, so just keep asking if you have
    some problems.
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    The best problem to solve a problem with Carthage is to play with Rome

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalSlayer View Post
    The best problem to solve a problem with Carthage is to play with Rome
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    Hello,
    historically speaking Rome broke each and every treaty they ever had with Carthage, so i do not really trust them in-game lol. However i can understand why they see no threat in me, i never showed up north of New Carthage, as well as in Italy. My guess is they wait until my money is spent and all cities are run by the free people faction lol.
    I just lost Spain completely, Corduba to the free people (monstrous army stacks they have), and New Carthage by the Greek.

    I have not more than two armies in every city, and one bigger stack (5 armies) to retake lost settlements. In every city there is at least crop rotation and farms, and traders, also roads. But i lose money every turn and i am not even able to repair damaged buildings due to rioting, let alone build up armies or new building. More negative money numbers every turn. I think hard/vh is a bit too tough for me economically :hmmm:. Or i dismiss all troops but one or two in Carthage, and hope that i keep some cities for one or two turns to get out of the debts, and then retake the cities ?

    Thanks and greetings,
    Hampsicora

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsicora View Post
    Hello,
    after playing the vanilla Rome-Total war, only modification in enabling all factions, i have mostly played for Carthage, and was quite good at it ...

    Now i made this "error" to load down Roma surrectum, playing at hard settings ...

    1st: I am blown away by the detail and the maps, along with new and more historically correct settlements - THAnK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS !

    2nd: I am always at the brink of completely losing the game as Carthage. Cities are rioting all the time, i have NO money, and i mean always.

    I began with building up crops and farms, building roads and traders and markets, if not paved streets because they still are too expensive after 50 years (!). Several settlements i got were instantly re-taken by the free people. As well i was thrown out of Sicily after only 10 turns - one turn they offered trade, next i was attacked, and i had no chance - only lost all armies . I know the original diplomacy is broke, but this can only be a violation against international public law lol.

    Next i built up a naval blockade, trying to strangle Syracuse economically. No use, there are stronger than i after all those turns, with their 5 cities and without having trade else than on Sicily (huh?). One Bireme that escaped invaded Pantelleria in one turn (i think it should be Pantelleria south of Sicily). I have less money every turn, built up mines in Iberia etc., conquered all Western Africa but one region, almost no armies but i cannot get out of the situation. This way i have to wait for 20 turns only to be able to build one paved road.

    As well i think the possibility to "produce" elephants will take place in some further 40 years, if i survive that long. And those spies and diplomats are much too expensive. With this economic model you need 100 years only to take West-Africa, let alone Sicily or parts of Spain.

    I like a challenge, but is there any idea what to do ?

    Thanks and greetings,
    Catfish

    Welcome Bud !
    Look over the previews and the discussions ..
    enjoy your time here and please don't ask when its finished
    We don't know either !

    Time for rep points to the guys who are here today
    Thanks for joining with the discussions !

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    Default Re: Hello, new here, and questions ...

    If you want to hang onto Sicily in a Carthage game concentrate the armies you have on Corsica / Sardinia and Carthage itself onto the island.

    You will then have a good chance of hanging onto the island. I did that in my campaign. Syracuse attacked me soon after they tried to take some rebel settlements. Their forces were weaker than they were at the start and my reinforced armies destroyed them.

    As other posted get the mines in Iberia for the injection of cash.

    If you want to upgrade weapons and armour using a blacksmith / weaponsmith you need to take some settlements. The closest ones are in northern Iberia and also the settlement above Rome.

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    Perhaps you could try a 1 turn game, that slows down the pace and may be more compatible with your strategic thinking?

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    Make sure that your settlements have the best governors possible. Trade retinues between governors/family members/generals if you have to.

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    Default Re: Hello, new here, and questions ...

    Hello,
    thanks for your comments, and the welcome !
    Indeed i was never so much interested in the successors of RTW like BI and Medieval war, as i am in the "classic" period.
    So i am really delighted to see so much work and dedication for "my" special hobby, even more as it was free for download. This is not a "mod", it is a new game .

    I am trying to go on with the existing campaign, only one more question:
    During turn 3 or so a roman fleet (was alrady enemy in turn 1) blocked my port al Lilybaeum, and i managed to sink them with my then 2-fleet navy. What happened 6 turns later is a roman diplomate offered peace and trade at New Carthago, which i happily accepted. Now at turn 70 or so i never heard anything about the romans again, (and i am sure happy about that - enough to do with my rioting population and economical problems). Maybe that is because of Sicily now completely belongs to Syracuse, but ... is there a "switch" at which Rome will start the Punic war(s), or does it depend on the strategical situation ?

    Thanks a lot and greetings,
    "Hampsicora"

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    I don't like building up my armies too much, I feel that they really chow down my economy, and I can't build something in every settlement every turn.For me turn not spent building is a turn wasted.I'd advise you to focus on your economy first before your armies.What's the use of rampaging armies when you can't support them.Eventually you lose a lot of income, and your economy gets from stalled to going down, and that's really bad...

    Like others said, go to Iberia, but make sure to take one army at a time, and have MP to get back into your territory, If you don't you'll suffer famed 3 strike attacks...


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    There is no script making Rome going rampage against Cartage.
    They are already your enemies when you start the game , to make it more
    historical, I myself never accept there pity diplomatic efforts to make peace.
    A war with Rome will only happen if the Ai start think of you as a treat.

    Hope to that answered your question.
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    As some has said, you should reconsider to play on 1-turn recruitment as it
    favor the more tactician player.

    Hope thing will sort out for ya, seing a Phoenician in debts makes me a sad Panda.
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    Default Re: Hello, new here, and questions ...

    Hello Maxim Victor,
    a phoenician in debt must indeed look strange ...
    But i did not start one war apart from the free people's cities, all else was "declared" by attacking me. Nice job b.t.w.: crossing the border to a free people's region you will be prompted with "uncivilized" behaviour, and acustically lashed lol.

    And the free people are enormously tough, with at least one full army stack in every region.
    Problem is building alone without raising armies leaves you at point zero in money after the second turn, and you never recover from that. Otherwise NOT building farms, traders etc. will make you broke also.

    One financial problem is i need at least 6 fleets for the Syracusian, otherwise they will instantly man their ships and attack Carthage with its mighty two-army stack. And I wonder what the greek do in Spain ...

    OK - installing Roma surrectum i remember i was asked how i would like to play - one or zero turn. So can i change this behaviour to 1-turn without a reinstall ?

    Thanks for your patience,
    Hampsicora

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