Dale..., A Kingdom???

[Brightgalrs]

Why is The Kingdom of Dale a faction? It was one town that was destroyed by Smaug, rebuilt, then destroyed again in the siege of Erebor. Not exactly a "Kingdom" let alone a faction by itself.
Perhaps give the Dale units to the Dwarves, since they live right next to them.

[The Count(er)]

yeah well I think Code_Knight said something along the lines of "the faction list is final" or something like that

[Code_Knight]

yeah well I think Code_Knight said something along the lines of "the faction list is final" or something like that

ya he told me this idea, and I told him to post it on the forums, so give your ideas guys!

[Kaas]

Link to wikipedia. Scroll to Dale it clealry states Brand as King Brand so it is a kingdom. But i think it is better if Dale is renamed to Men of Rhovannion so it can include more settlements, but still an army of mainly Dale units.

[The Count(er)]

Link to wikipedia. Scroll to Dale it clealry states Brand as King Brand so it is a kingdom. But i think it is better if Dale is renamed to Men of Rhovannion so it can include more settlements, but still an army of mainly Dale units.

well thats a good idea

No agreement? You honestly think Dale, a single town could take over Middle Earth?
Edit: @The Counter

I don't think I ever said that but one thing I have said is

the more (factions) the merrier

[Glorfindel]

and Dale did exports and imports with the Mirkwood

it is a Faction then

[Varjon]

and Dale did exports and imports with the Mirkwood

it is a Faction then

Yes, trade of Dale, Erebor and Mirkwood was probably most richest in north.

[Brightgalrs]

Why isn't Bree a faction! I'm sure it traded with the Shire!

Yes Dale is a kingdom that is my new faction list I'm posting for tonight.

What units would they get?
Dale Lancers?
Dale Archers?
Dale Swordsmen?
Dale Pikemen?
There is simply not enough material...

[Brightgalrs]

No agreement? You honestly think Dale, a single town could take over Middle Earth?
Edit: @The Counter

[Code_Knight]

No agreement? You honestly think Dale, a single town could take over Middle Earth?

it could happen I mean, look at sparta, it was a single city, but became a super power.

[whitewolfmxc]

it could happen I mean, look at sparta, it was a single city, but became a super power.

But it was decided dunland cant become one and show up as a faction............sad ><

[The Big Red 1]

But it was decided dunland cant become one and show up as a faction............sad ><

That's because Dunland was part of an Isengard Superpower.

[Code_Knight]

But it was decided dunland cant become one and show up as a faction............sad ><

Dunland was mostly part of Isengard, and they weren't as powerful as Dale.

[Glorfindel]

from tolkiengateway.net


Dale was a township of Men lying between Erebor and Esgaroth. It was destroyed when Smaug the dragon descended on the Dwarf-kingdom of Erebor. For one-hundred seventy-two years city lay in ruins, until the Battle of Five Armies. After the battle, Dale and was refounded by Bard the Bowman , the descendant of its royal line. Dale, once again was a prosperous city. It had a long lasting friendship with the Dwarves of Erebor and the Iron Hills, and the people of Lake-Town, trading with them and allying with them in times of war.
During the War of the Ring, the Easterlings attacked the city. Not able to hold the Easterlings back the Men of Dale and their allies, the Dwarves of Erebor, retreated into the the Lonely Mountain, but not without losing both Dale and Erebors' kings Brand and Dain II Ironfoot who were both slain at the gates of the mountain. For seven days the Men and Dwarves barricaded themselves in Erebor until news came from the south of the defeat of Sauron, the new kings of Dale and Erebor (Bard II and Thorin III Stonehelm), broke the siege and chased the Easterlings out of Dale. After the siege, the Men of Dale rebuilt Dale, with the help of the Dwarves. Bard also sent an emissary to the coronation of king Elessar.

it could happen I mean, look at sparta, it was a single city, but became a super power.

agree!!!

[Varjon]

In chapter of LotR where Frodo speaks with Glóin in Rivendell, Glóin mentions that lands of Dale has growed far to east and south. It might have controlled whole east side of Mirkwood so yes, at least I consider it as a kingdom

P.S. There were actually 2 towns in Dale's kingdom: Esgaroth and Dale.

[Brightgalrs]

Kingdom of Rhovanion, now there is a kingdom! A bit earlier, but still in the 3rd age. It might have included Dale as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Rhovanion

[Varjon]

Kingdom of Rhovanion, now there is a kingdom! A bit earlier, but still in the 3rd age. It might have included Dale as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Rhovanion

Esgaroth and Dale were founded after this kingdom was pretty much deserted.

[Brightgalrs]

Blarg, read the part at the top.

It is possible that Dale and Esgaroth formed part of the Kingdom before Erebor was founded by the Dwarves of Durin's Folk.

[ccllnply]

Of course Dale should be a Kingdom. Dale was probably the same strength as Rohan at the WOTR. Dale was the biggest supplier of Wine and Toys in Middle-earth. And without the combined forces of Dale and Erebor most of Rhova-somethingorother would have fallen to the Easterlings

[The Big Red 1]

Of course Dale should be a Kingdom. Dale was probably the same strength as Rohan at the WOTR. Dale was the biggest supplier of Wine and Toys in Middle-earth. And without the combined forces of Dale and Erebor most of Rhova-somethingorother would have fallen to the Easterlings

agreed.