Unit ideas for mordor

[FREDREX]

I am great fanatic of this evil kingdoms, and i think what they are best what the units of LOTR-TW

The amies of orcs have a variety of shield and helmets

Snaga orcs: The litle race of orcs they are explorers, they are very low moral

Orcs Warriors: The most basic of infantry, whit a mace and a round shield whit the red eye

Black orcs: Great orc, fat whit long arms, they have a great sword

Regular infantry: They are the orcs used in the fields of pelenor and his aspect is like in the movie

Uruks of barad-dur: Some of the elit infantry

Orcs of minas morgul: one of the best soldiers of mordor, whit a quality armor an the emblem of the dams moon

Snaga archers: very ligt archers

Orc archer: archer of good quality they are like regular infantry

Raiders of nurn: Mordor have few cavalry and trust in harad and rhun for that but many men life in nurn and are obligated to figt in war of the dark lord.

Olog-Hai: Very strong trol

Trol whit drums: Its posibly this unit ? drumer trols inspire nearby troops

[The Big Red 1]

Orc Spear rabble?

[Kaas]

Trol whit drums: Its posibly this unit ? drumer trols inspire nearby troops

something like the priest unit of the Teutonic Order (clergys?) in Kingdoms? but then a bit more ... Troll-like?

[The Count(er)]

the drummer trolls could be officer units in troll groups

[The Big Red 1]

Death Marauders. Huge heavily armored orcs with Axes.

Uruk Pike Militia. Mordors strongest spear unit.(barely armored making them very weak to other units.}

We need some sort of viscous unrmored chrage without orders orcs who will be like smaller berserkers.

[Glorfindel]

i want to say that Orcs of Sauron and Saruman are physically strong as humans, they are not "weak" or something, maybe they will have a bit lower morale and even lower under the Sun (Good factions won many battles due to the Sun although Sauron covered his armies many times with shadow)

Sauron has short but quick Orcs
Saruman has taller Orcs and a little stronger but not as many as Mordor


if Evil factions had weak soldiers then if you had a full stack of some good, let's say, Gondor soldiers, then you would be undefeatable

Mordor didn't rely ONLY in numbers, otherwise Good Soldiers would have slain them easily

Evil Kingdoms was superior against Good Kingdoms
Good ones won only in the last minute and sometimes with a lot of luck and Gandalf help

[DeZzErX]

I thought Orcs had "twisted limbs and weak bodies" then why should they be superiour to men? Why should they not only be weaker to elves (which I slightly agree with due to your excellent arguments in another thread) but also to orcs apparantly?

[The Big Red 1]

Orcs were much weaker to men ,but their always superior numbers gave them victory. the only orcs close to men are Uruks and a few well bred orcs.

[The Big Red 1]

Orcs were much weaker to men ,but their always superior numbers gave them victory. the only orcs close to men are Uruks and a few well bred orcs.

ehem...ehem....


Haradrim Slaves: Weak mordor unit.

Orcs of Gorgoth Spire: Heavily armored elite shock troops armed with swords and shields.

Orc Warband: Large group of small orcs armed with just a sword. May charge without orders.

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Orcs of Gorgoth Spire possible Armor.

[Glorfindel]

I thought Orcs had "twisted limbs and weak bodies" then why should they be superiour to men? Why should they not only be weaker to elves (which I slightly agree with due to your excellent arguments in another thread) but also to orcs apparantly?

i didn't say orcs are equal to elves

elves are superior to orcs mainly because of their strong morale AND their strong body but no in the degree that almost everyone thinks

don't forget that orcs came from elves and humans
the body remains although SLIGHTLY weaker
their morale is the one that is lowered
and their equipment is not of great quality either

Elves have bodies you know, they are not angels although they are very gifted and skilled and die with difficulty and NEVER flee, only for tactical reasons

to make Orcs weak is not very right to me for the reasons i said but for another thing too
the Total War feeling would be spoiled greatly

slightly weaker strength, lower moral, light/medium armor in the majority of the Orc-troops would do the job

[DeZzErX]

i didn't say orcs are equal to elves

elves are superior to orcs mainly because of their strong morale AND their strong body but no in the degree that almost everyone thinks

don't forget that orcs came from elves and humans
the body remains although SLIGHTLY weaker
their morale is the one that is lowered
and their equipment is not of great quality either

Elves have bodies you know, they are not angels although they are very gifted and skilled and die with difficulty and NEVER flee, only for tactical reasons

to make Orcs weak is not very right to me for the reasons i said but for another thing too
the Total War feeling would be spoiled greatly

slightly weaker strength, lower moral, light/medium armor in the majority of the Orc-troops would do the job

I'm sorry but I think there has been a mistake. I did not say orcs are equal or even stronger too elves either. I just said that I do not think that Orcs are even stronger or equal to men.

Saying that elves never flee seems a bit 'over the edge'. I agree with you that Elves are amazing creatures but I do not believe they are perfect and would never flee.

[Glorfindel]

elves have an ideal sense of moral

they are like Spartans, they would die for what they believe (not only spartans do this but it's an example)

[DeZzErX]

elves have an ideal sense of moral

they are like Spartans, they would die for what they believe (not only spartans do this but it's an example)

I think we are on the same level with the fact that indeed elves should almost never flee. Almost Never say never, right?

[LOTR-MOD]

i didn't say orcs are equal to elves

elves are superior to orcs mainly because of their strong morale AND their strong body but no in the degree that almost everyone thinks

don't forget that orcs came from elves and humans
the body remains although SLIGHTLY weaker
their morale is the one that is lowered
and their equipment is not of great quality either

Elves have bodies you know, they are not angels although they are very gifted and skilled and die with difficulty and NEVER flee, only for tactical reasons

to make Orcs weak is not very right to me for the reasons i said but for another thing too
the Total War feeling would be spoiled greatly

slightly weaker strength, lower moral, light/medium armor in the majority of the Orc-troops would do the job

I like your idea

[The Big Red 1]

I like your idea

you like all ideas. So add something to the discussion instead of agreeing we're in a heated argument here or else I would be a little nicer to you.

[ccllnply]

you like all ideas. So add something to the discussion instead of agreeing we're in a heated argument here or else I would be a little nicer to you.

Agreed!

[LOTR-MOD]

you like all ideas. So add something to the discussion instead of agreeing we're in a heated argument here or else I would be a little nicer to you.

Look I understand you’re in a heated conversation but I like his idea and I posted it I understand you may or may not like the way I post and your entitled to your opinion but respect that I have a right to say what I want just like everybody in this forum thinks you.

But back to the topic I liked his idea because it give a person a reason to want to play as mordor and it dose not make them a faction that is canon footer for gondor and rohan. I'm not saying they should be equal to the good factions but they should be able to hold there own.

[Comrade the Colonel]

But the orc from Minas Morgul were very superior right they could be a match for men

[FREDREX]

A orc its very strong, speed and and have good sensen but its very coward exept uruks.

Another units ideas

Priest of sauron: corrupted men, whit a similar look to nazgul but your faces are a red eyes or something

Men of the nort of rhun: In the books the have the next description, they have axes, and beard like dwarves

[ccllnply]

A orc its very strong, speed and and have good sensen but its very coward exept uruks.

No, Orcs are weak. Calling them strong is like saying Exeter City are the best soccer team in England. And whats sensen?