Historical Accuracy of Broken Crescent

[Theodotos I]

I've not been looking at Broken Crescent for very long--what I've seen really looks good and the unit modeling seems excellent. However, what is the intention of your mod concerning historical accuracy? If it's not supposed to be, don't mind me. I'm just curious. This was the mod that brought me to TWC in the first place. Good luck, all!

[Fenix_120]

BC is not an historically accurate game, its a fun game that was based of off history.


Somethings were sacrificed for gameplay reasons.


That being said BC is by far one of the most historically accurate mods I have played and is by far my favorite with SS in second.


Try it you'll like it.

[Cromagnon2]

Where is realism if you can't make your own history?

[Ahiga]

The motto that has defined Broken Crescent is: "Historically Inspired, Historically Influenced, not a Historical Imitation"

We have followed a historical inspiration for all units, only being creative in design when we had no historical information to fill in the blanks. Historical influence has guided our design of each faction, but we have chosen not to imitate the historical reality of certain groups.

Some examples of historical revisions include:

• The Ghorid's military lacking it's strength in spearmen (Though authentic in their focus on infantry)
• The Ghaznavid's status in Ghazni, as at this time they were in Lahore of Pakistan with the Ghorids ruling most of Afghanistan.
• The Romans having an army reflective of their earlier period (1000-Early 1100s, rather than late 1100s to the 14th century)
• Khwarezm having too much Persian presence and not enough Cuman presence.
• Turkish Sultanate, being the Rum turks, also featuring Ottoman Turk Units.

In general, we don't take a stand that our mod is the accurate rendition of the Medieval Middle East, however we do take a stand that our mod is not an inaccurate rendition of the history of the Medieval Middle East.

[miau]

The motto that has defined Broken Crescent is: "Historically Inspired, Historically Influenced, not a Historical Imitation"

...and the best mod I ever played.

[Thema'zandaar]

• Khwarezm having too much Persian presence and not enough Cuman presence.

Is there a reason why this was done? How would adding more Cuman presence have affected the faction? Are there plans to address this in the upcoming version?

In general, we don't take a stand that our mod is the accurate rendition of the Medieval Middle East, however we do take a stand that our mod is not an inaccurate rendition of the history of the Medieval Middle East.

Sounds like the same thing.

[Ahiga]

[/LIST]Is there a reason why this was done? How would adding more Cuman presence have affected the faction? Are there plans to address this in the upcoming version?

Lack of information at the time, mainly. We had nothing on Khwarezm and assumed because they sat in the region that divided Sedentary Iranian civilization and Nomadic Iranian/Turkish tribes that they would be a highly Persian-esque faction. It later came out that Khwarezm had a large Cuman affiliation and I think one of their rulers had a Cuman queen for a mother or something. Same reason why the Ghorids are the way they are, we didn't know until later that they were much more infantry centric.

Factions developed the earliest on tended towards the least amount of research on hand as well as not having the streamlined approach we developed when working on the Kypchaks, KoJ, and Ayyubids.

Anyway factions are always open for revisiting, so who knows? We might well pay some attention to them

Sounds like the same thing.

Meant to as a bit of...I don't know the word, but like what Yogi berra says.

[Theodotos I]

The motto that has defined Broken Crescent is: "Historically Inspired, Historically Influenced, not a Historical Imitation"

We have followed a historical inspiration for all units, only being creative in design when we had no historical information to fill in the blanks. Historical influence has guided our design of each faction, but we have chosen not to imitate the historical reality of certain groups.

Some examples of historical revisions include:

• The Ghorid's military lacking it's strength in spearmen (Though authentic in their focus on infantry)
• The Ghaznavid's status in Ghazni, as at this time they were in Lahore of Pakistan with the Ghorids ruling most of Afghanistan.
• The Romans having an army reflective of their earlier period (1000-Early 1100s, rather than late 1100s to the 14th century)
• Khwarezm having too much Persian presence and not enough Cuman presence.
• Turkish Sultanate, being the Rum turks, also featuring Ottoman Turk Units.

In general, we don't take a stand that our mod is the accurate rendition of the Medieval Middle East, however we do take a stand that our mod is not an inaccurate rendition of the history of the Medieval Middle East.

Thanks much. I have no wish to criticize, merely wondered about the focus of the mod. What I've seen looks very good, and I don't know that much about the period.

[Tadzreuli]

The motto that has defined Broken Crescent is: "Historically Inspired, Historically Influenced, not a Historical Imitation"

excellent answer !

[The Noble Lord]

excellent answer ! :original:

I agree 110%



CHEERS

[ArnyBoy]

I would love to see Ghorid with spearmen they would massacre everything in their path but I guess that would be the problem. If only their was a way to balance it:hmmm:
Maybe give other factions new uber units, no I'm only kidding and the end of the day it's your guys decision on what you do and great work so far

[anaztazioch]

Well if i were to adjust things:

- Seljuks should have some Iranian/Persian roster, as Rayy, Yazd and Ishafran (typing can be pain here) are Persian cities. Persian spearman, Tajik, Daylamis. (unless offcourse you plan on addid Sassanid faction in game with Persian with Fars roster)

- Azeri units i say should be in Georgian roster, to make them have some wider roster.

- Kwarezm, since they ruled over Iran in their peek and have cuman connections, should lose Turkish horse archers and get cuman/kypchak auxilla and low tier HA, and change diquan lancers (who would be in Seljuk roster) to nomad lancers.

- Abbassid, i think they should rely on ghulams instead for Faris, who would have more resticted AOR. I dont see how could anyone recruit Faris units in Tyre...

- Omani should have some Bedoin units and Arabian swordsman i say, but can be far off.

- Ghorids should be less likelly to recruit Ghorid warrior (the high tier very strong one), but recive some spearman.


My 5 cent.

[byzantineklibanophori]

Anyway factions are always open for revisiting, so who knows? We might well pay some attention to them

My spidey senses tell me I should be involved somehow and draw concepts for exotic far out Roman units.........anyone for Drag Queen Kataphrakts?

Although I would be content with one elite ERE HC with bows. But eh.......the ERE are still tough pieces of kittenheads.

[anaztazioch]

ERE is strong enough, with Heavy HAs, they will be as ridiculus as Mongols
Besides they have javnellin heavy cavalry aka armor raping cats.

[♔Old Dragoon♔]

I for one think representatively it captures the historical spirit of the era. Historical accuracy as been stated is impossible. All I know is that I keep coming back to the proverbial BC trough. I think with time like a good red wine BC will improve with age. I think the next one will really knock our socks off.

[Miraj]

At the end of the day historical accuracy is a bit of a back and forth. It's something we always desire but at the same time we also want to keep things stylish, fresh and fun. And these things do not always see eye to eye. So there is a balance that goes on where we bat ideas back and forth trying to find somethign that's fun and accurate. Sometimes we sacrifice fun, sometimes accuracy. It's an artistic and creative process, so nothing is set in stone. And sometimes it can boil down to nothing more than what we as individuals prefer a roster to look like. Though being a team oriented process that's rare.

But there is one other overriding issue: availabilty of info and references. Sometimes coming up with factions or rosters can become a highly speculative art due to the fact that often we have a very slim selection of facts or illustrations to work with.. and often nothing at all! When we have nothing at all we often expand the search and start looking at things around that factions, or related to that faction on a broader ethnic or cultural level and make some educated hypothesises on what a given faction might have looked like.

[christof139]

Yeah, it is impossible to be 100% histroically accurate, especially with a game engine that doesn't allow for Early, Late and High Time Periods as MTW1-VI did.

BC is a great and enjoyable mod. Thanx!!!

Chris

[anaztazioch]

Yeah, it is impossible to be 100% histroically accurate, especially with a game engine that doesn't allow for Early, Late and High Time Periods as MTW1-VI did.

BC is a great and enjoyable mod. Thanx!!!

Chris

It does allow.
darth ages has scripts that doesnt allow to build stone castles before 1150, and barelly any chain mail armor before 1120 i think.

[Taneda Santôka]

It does allow.
darth ages has scripts that doesnt allow to build stone castles before 1150, and barelly any chain mail armor before 1120 i think.

'Darth Ages'? Where did you get that one? A DarthMod submod? [EDIT : ok, found it...]
Chainmail existed well before 4th c BCE, and was the dark ages' main armour, I fail to see historical accuracy... :hmmm:

[Ahiga]

Always wondered about that, I took it to mean mail armor would be nearly absent from most troops except the most elite up until 1120, as it would be in the later medieval period that mail armor became more available for the common man, with heavier armors being more the norm for better class soldiers.