insanity?

**Theseus1234** · June 16, 2008, 04:54 PM

this is not a rant, but a question

how do you get your generals to become utterly insane? im thinking of trying inbreeding, but idk how it will work out

this is without cheating btw

**townie33** · June 16, 2008, 05:06 PM

i think the insanity trait is more of a random thing that inbreeding but i do know for a fact that if you put a family member with the insanity trait as far away from the capital as possible the trait gets worse. Maybe you just need to send him far far away.

**Orgath** · June 16, 2008, 08:43 PM

ya send him to exile in africa and send him into suicide missions where he just barely gets away

**Wheem** · June 17, 2008, 03:22 AM

Inbreeding has no affect on the traits of offspring when they come of age.

The triggers for insanity in the unmodded game are:
1) Random chance at birth.
2) Extra random chance at birth if father has Arse (gay) trait.
3) Chance when suffering an assassination attempt AND has rank 3 or higher of the Paranoia trait (called Paranoid and Completely Paranoid).
4) Chance every turn of the Insanity trait "worsening" if the character already has it.

Ranks of the Insane trait are:
1) Dysfunctional.
2) Quite Mad.
3) Utterly Insane.

**REDrake** · June 17, 2008, 05:08 PM

I got such an insane general to be my heir. And even worse he managed to pick a very bad wife:

**Kolaris8472** · June 17, 2008, 07:34 PM

The trait is hereditary as well, iirc. A whole family line in my family tree was chronically insane.

EDIT: Loaded up that save game, and noticed that the start of that family line was a mission where one of my family members asked to marry one of my princesses. So, could be some merit to your inbreeding idea.

**REDrake** · June 18, 2008, 12:00 AM

Yes, I had such missions in the past too. I actually refused one. A general 57 years old wanted to marry a 23 years old princess with an amazing number of 8 hearts. It was the best princess I ever had. No bad traits or retinues at all. I used her to marry a HRE general. The 57 years old general died the next turn, so there was no way the princess could reach him in time anyway.

**Theseus1234** · June 18, 2008, 12:39 AM

well, in my SS campaign, ive got several yung-uns coming up and two young, sweet, princesses! lets see what happens to those backstabber when i mess up their children! MWAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

**clandestino** · June 18, 2008, 12:02 PM

Chance when suffering an assassination attempt AND has rank 3 or higher of the Paranoia trait (called Paranoid and Completely Paranoid).

I concur with this one, also I think it's a quite random thing ( or I can't see any obvious reason for developing such a trait ). I don't think that inbreeding has anything with it, I marry all my decently charming (+2 hearts ) princesses to male family members and that insanity thing rarely occurs with their offsprings.

**Logik** · June 18, 2008, 12:07 PM

I heard that generals with that trait give some very interesting and crazy speeches before a battle.Is That True?:hmmm:

**Theseus1234** · June 18, 2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by WarMachine0505

I heard that generals with that trait give some very interesting and crazy speeches before a battle.Is That True?:hmmm:

yeah its true
thats pretty much why i want insane generals.
theres a CRAZY GENERAL SPEECHES thread on this forum with some pretty funny things about moon-people and such

**Logik** · June 18, 2008, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by theseus1234

yeah its true
thats pretty much why i want insane generals.
theres a CRAZY GENERAL SPEECHES thread on this forum with some pretty funny things about moon-people and such

You said on this forum? i didn't know that.Thanks for the Info I'll have to check it out.

**Selifator** · June 18, 2008, 12:12 PM

I think so, probably the Milanese generals do the "Snake Speech", though I don't know if that is because of insanity or something else.

**Logik** · June 18, 2008, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Selifator

I think so, probably the Milanese generals do the "Snake Speech", though I don't know if that is because of insanity or something else.

Yea i heard the same thing you did i also heard that there is one trait in the game that makes your general Curse alot during his speeches.I wish i knew what it was.:hmmm:

**Selifator** · June 18, 2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by WarMachine0505

Yea i heard the same thing you did i also heard that there is one trait in the game that makes your general Curse alot during his speeches.I wish i knew what it was.:hmmm:

Well, it isn't cursing. It is something different...

**Theseus1234** · June 18, 2008, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Selifator

Well, it isn't cursing. It is something different...

well if you consider calling someone an "arse-monkey" cursing, then yes, its cursing

**Monsieur Alphonse** · June 18, 2008, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by WarMachine0505

Yea i heard the same thing you did i also heard that there is one trait in the game that makes your general Curse alot during his speeches.I wish i knew what it was.:hmmm:

If I remember correct it is the strong /foul language line of traits. I had an English faction heir that had that trait. He gave very good (read hilarious) speeches.

**Wheem** · June 19, 2008, 02:59 AM

If I remember correct it is the strong /foul language line of traits. I had an English faction heir that had that trait. He gave very good (read hilarious) speeches.

The "Hates X Faction" trait line works in the same way, I think (as long as you're fighting against that particular faction). ie, I've seen English generals with "Dislikes France" calling them codpiece fondlers, arse weasels, etc...whenever I fought them.

**KoS** · June 19, 2008, 03:36 AM

Additionally, if you get a general with a level 3 of the Deranged or Insane traits, he gets the special insanity epithet after his name. So, for example, a general of mine in a Milanese campaign by the name of 'Banchello Pensotti' was known as 'Banchello the Mad'. (And what a fine general he was, too. What *lively* speeches he gave...)