Knights of Santiago?

[AntonM]

Ive been playing as Aragon, and cant seem to trigger the the guild that gives me them! All i seem to get offered is knights of montesa. Ive been on 3 crusades so far (1- Granada, Moors. 2- Fes, Moors. 3- Toulouse, Genoa). Im about 70 turns into the game and hold the whole iberia plus toulouse, palma and marseille. Four of my generals including my king and faction heir got ancillarys of knight of santiago! And still no guild.

Any help on how to get them or what to do will be apreciated.

[Kolaris8472]

If you go into the SS data folder, there's a file called descr_guilds. If you open that up, you can either read what helps to get your particular guild, or even modify how much influence you gain with it.

...edit, as I've done now. Unfortunately Santiago Knights have I think the fewest triggers of all the guilds, so you may be in for the long hall. Feel free to beef up the influence you gain when you create a Crusade army, since thats about the only thing that works. Other than that, dropping a general with high chivalry into the city you want to get the guild will help...allbeit, it will help you get the other Knightly Orders first, since they gain influence faster than Knights of Santiago.

[Bacon!]

As far as im aware Crown of Aragon cannot get Knights of Santiago. They can use the units in custom battles but they cant get the guild, theyget Knights of Montesa insted

Knights of Santiago are for Leon Castille and Portugal

[Wolfgrin]

Nice to know. I thought the KoS had been removed from the game, as I, too, never was offered them as a guild during three campaigns as Aragon. The Knights of Montesa are pretty darn good, tho. Can
Aragon get other Knightly guilds, say Hospitallers or Templars?

[Bacon!]

Can Aragon get other Knightly guilds, say Hospitallers or Templars?

No they cant, just Montesa

[aduellist]

Nice to know. I thought the KoS had been removed from the game, as I, too, never was offered them as a guild during three campaigns as Aragon. The Knights of Montesa are pretty darn good, tho. Can
Aragon get other Knightly guilds, say Hospitallers or Templars?

It would be historically correct (and cool, too) if the Knights of Montesa were only available after the Templars are disbanded. The formation of the Knights of Montesa was part of Aragon's settlement with the Papacy vis-a-vis the disbanding/suppression of the Knights Templar. All Templar holdings in Aragonese lands were converted for use by "another militant order", which was/became the Knights of Montesa.

In fact both the Templars and Hospitallers were very active in the Reconquista and held several fortresses throughout Aragon, Leon-Castille and Portugal. At one point one of the Aragonese kings (can't remember which off the top of my head) who was dying without a direct heir actually willed the Kingdom of Aragon to the Templar and Hospitaller orders.

[Inda]

In fact both the Templars and Hospitallers were very active in the Reconquista and held several fortresses throughout Aragon, Leon-Castille and Portugal. At one point one of the Aragonese kings (can't remember which off the top of my head) who was dying without a direct heir actually willed the Kingdom of Aragon to the Templar and Hospitaller orders.

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How's that posible? Aragon didn't disappeared until it merged with Castilla to create Spain.

Appart of that, there was an Aragonese king, Pere II, who died fighting against the templars in the crusade that stormed southern Frace (belonging to Aragon by that time) in order to wipe out catar heretics. Don't remember the year, but was just one year after the battle of Navas de Tolosa, so it had to be in early XIII century.

[aduellist]

How's that posible? Aragon didn't disappeared until it merged with Castilla to create Spain.

Appart of that, there was an Aragonese king, Pere II, who died fighting against the templars in the crusade that stormed southern Frace (belonging to Aragon by that time) in order to wipe out catar heretics. Don't remember the year, but was just one year after the battle of Navas de Tolosa, so it had to be in early XIII century.

It was a three way deal, actually willed to Hospitallers, Templars and Papal States. As you can imagine, the Aragonese nobility were not overjoyed. There was essentially a coup, which the Papacy recognized as a fait accompli. The Templars were the only party to press aggressively for their rights and received several fortresses/estates and 10% of the annual income of the kingdom as compensation for giving up their claim.

[Maniacal]

In 5.1 the knights of montessa mounted were better than the knights of santiago, has this changed?

[Badg3r]

thanks for this, i will definalty try it out
i was hardly ever ofer knights guilds, only as england, and then they were all Hospitaler, non were templar

however as the HRE, i had a Tutonic nights guild in almost every castle, so they became my main source of heavy cavalry, and as i am now at war with the Tutonic guild, it's a bit like a civil war within the guild =D

[Badg3r]

i've found one that's called export_descr_guilds if thats right
what do the +/- numbers next to the guild names mean?
is this how likely a guild is to appear or what?

[Kolaris8472]

i've found one that's called export_descr_guilds if thats right
what do the +/- numbers next to the guild names mean?
is this how likely a guild is to appear or what?

See that list of guilds and then 3 numbers under them at the top of the file? 100, 250, 500? Those are the 3 levels of guilds you can get. (100 - Guild House, 250 - Master Guild House, 500 - Guild Headquarters)

Those +/- numbers go into a little pool in the settlement that build up over time, until you get enough for a new level of guild.

[AntonM]

In my building browser it shows that i can get the Santiago chapter house!

Oh well i guess Knights of Montesa will have to do.

[DenniZ]

Wow im still learning new things in this mod even now...

[robj22]

its in the export_descr_buildings script that they're available for spain, portugal, and aragon so they must be available, i dont see a way to unlock guilds anyway but ill keep looking and let you know

[robj22]

also the export_descr_bulildings file seems to mention that you can't have a knights of santiago chapter house if there is a knights of montesa chapter house in the settlement

[robj22]

edit, you can play with knights of santiago as aragon! i tried it myself! You just have to conquer a settlement that doesnt have the ability to make knights of montesa but has the ability to make knights of santiago (I.E. Leon) i conquered Leon myself and saw that i could make the guild! have fun guys!

[Treaper]

Is that new record of reviving a dead thread? I think so...