You call these archers ?!?

[anaztazioch]

Lithuanian archers vs spear militia.
Full archer wave, 2 ( 2 ) spear militia dead. second wave same, and so did 3rd. What the hell ? Is it really so hard to hit one guy in 150 unit stack with a bow form a range of 100 metres ?

My mounted crossbowman (polish shooters) aim at cavlary like there is no tommorow, but at peasants, they dont want to harm them...

[moosey]

what are the stats for lithuanian archers?

youve got to remember that spear militia have quite large spears and that if lith archers are not armour piercing theyre not gonna do vanilla-like amounts of damage.

In SS6.1 which i am playing, the archer values have been very much reduced so they dont kill as many people as quickly.

As for mountd crossbowmen being good at picking off cavalry and bad at peasants... im afraid i dont have an answer for you.

[anaztazioch]

No its not thrit shields. spearm militia went for my general and archers were "TRYING" to rape them form being, doing same damage as they did at begining when sm were facing towards them.

[OSDEA7]

If you do not like the stats change them.It's not hard.Go to--data/export_descrip_unit---Find the unit and change the --------stat_pri 9, 1, bodkin_arrow, 160, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1------------The 9 is the attack strength----160 is the range----------35 is how much ammo.Your numbers may be different than this line but its all relitive.Change them to a higher number for stronger results.Just donot move the placement of the numbers where they are in the line.

[anaztazioch]

If you do not like the stats change them.It's not hard.Go to--data/export_descrip_unit---Find the unit and change the --------stat_pri 9, 1, bodkin_arrow, 160, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 25, 1------------The 9 is the attack strength----160 is the range----------35 is how much ammo.Your numbers may be different than this line but its all relitive.Change them to a higher number for stronger results.Just donot move the placement of the numbers where they are in the line.

Its not the stats of a unit. Its their accuracy. I cant belive that 120 arrows at 120 infantry hits only 4 of them killing only 2... When neigther of infantry has any armor...

[moosey]

Its not the stats of a unit. Its their accuracy. I cant belive that 120 arrows at 120 infantry hits only 4 of them killing only 2... When neigther of infantry has any armor...

here it sounds like the arrows hitting are doing ok, you only tend to kill about half the people you hit with arrows. I dont know how to increase the accuracy im afraid. turning off fire arrows helps but beyond that.

Are you shooting directly at them or are you behind a wall trying to shoot over it at targets they cant actually see? because then the accuracy is greatly decreased as they arent shooting directly

[snuggans]

they're not going to do a whole lot if they do not have armor piercing.

[anaztazioch]

they're not going to do a whole lot if they do not have armor piercing.

Tell me, in WHAT does armor pircing is better than regular arrow when fighting against NO armor and NO shield ?

[snuggans]

Tell me, in WHAT does armor pircing is better than regular arrow when fighting against NO armor and NO shield ?

what unit are you talking about? even peasants have armor

[anaztazioch]

what unit are you talking about? even peasants have armor

Ok, here:
stat_pri_armour 0, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
Thats armor of peasants. 1st is armor, 2 is defence skill whitch is not taken vs ranged, 3rd is shield whitch is taken only if attacked from front or left.
So vs archers its 0 defence. You are wrong.

Here is SPEAR MILITA (the one i was shooting at):
stat_pri_armour 0, 2, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
So 0 armor vs my archers whitch were shooting at their back...

[RollingWave]

try the realistic archer and javlin mod .

[Chief Astook]

X bows= more power as it is, try latvian crossbowmen and see who wins, as for normal archers, you need high grade ones to really poor out any sort of damage

[Kain.146]

X bows= more power as it is, try latvian crossbowmen and see who wins, as for normal archers, you need high grade ones to really poor out any sort of damage

I think he's playing as Poland, becoz Lithuania doesn't have mounted crossbowmen, so no latvian crossbows 4 him , unless he's using AOR mod

[PeteSKTemplar]

I am already meditating increasing stats for archers as I did with 2handed units for about 25 per cent though I wish I could improve heavy chainmail and plate armour resistance against regulars arrows (not arbalest fire).

[FriendoftheDork]

I was also a a bit surprised when I used peasant archers vs spearmen, but later on I've managed to get a nice number of kills with archery units.

My Khazaks and Armoured horse archers routinely do about 20-60 kills per battle (missile fire only), and when I fought a defensive battle of 2 miltia archers and 2 miltia spearmen vs 1 Cuman axemen and 1 tartar horsemen unit I only managed to win thanks to those archers, who were also the one doing the most kills.

I have a hard time believing you were firing point blank in the backs of spearmen and not getting more kills than that to be honest, unless you were shooting uphill through woods or most of the unit couldn't fire for some reason.

Although you can no longer rely on missile units alone (except for horse achers vs light infantry only), I still find they can turn the tide of battle, and as a result I always have a couple of them in my army.

[jonathanstill]

hey its simple if you want more deadly archers then just edit them

[Point Blank]

If you use RR, there is an update in the RR thread in the sub mods forum that updates all missile weapons and increases lethality overall.

[PeteSKTemplar]

I can confirm that. After using latest updates of SSTC and RR its much better.

[OSDEA7]

What is RR ?Where can i find it?

[Point Blank]

Real Recruitment. There is a thread in the sub mods forum.