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    Default What's the point in still having religions?

    We all know that Christianity was "founded" roughly 2000 years ago. Islam followed ~700 years after that, Judaism is a few thousand years older. (I'll focus on these 3 for now, feel free to add other religions).
    All of these religions were founded in a time when people could barely explain anything, when the majority of ordinary people still thought the earth to be flat, when people thought there were demons and when they had very limited knowledge (read: none) of where we came from.

    I can understand the purpose of these religions at that time - they helped people fight their fear of death. Back then, many people became only 20-30 years old so death was always present. Children who died before the age of 15 were very common, often only 30-50% of all children you had ever became adults. On top of that, people couldn't explain so many things. Who were we humans? Where did we come from? What is our purpose in life? What will happen to us after death?
    Back then life was rather brutal as well, amongst mid-eastern people back then vendetta was very common, resulting in neverending bloodshed. While weapons werent as advanced as nowadays, people were often more ruthless and stuff such as charity etc wasnt as big as it is nowadays.

    However, things have changed. Back then, proving if there was a god in heaven above earth somewhere couldnt be proven wrong. Back then we had no real idea how earth was created. But things have changed.

    We now know about the evolution of races, we have started figuring out the DNA codes, we have found out about atoms, quarks etc. We know how and when the earth was created. We have way improved medicine, some people becoming 120 years and older.
    We can now explain so much, our knowledge is incredible. We now know that the earth isnt flat, and more importantly almost everyone knows that now, even a poor peasant somewhere in the desert. We humans are mightier than ever, we can travel to the moon, we can fly around the earth in a matter of a few hours.

    So the question is: what is still the point of religion? I mean seriously, a book about the magical doings of a carpenter in the first century? lol? A book with an immense amount of contradictions, full of inaccuracies and weird claims. Or should we read the Koran, apparently god dictated mohammed that book word for word, haha. How can modern people seriously believe such stuff? And we really want to believe in a god who is jealous, who tells us to slaughter other people (old testament), who kills whole cities because he thinks they are "sinners"? What?

    Arent we modern and enlightened people? Really... some people should get over their (subconscious) fear of death. Believing in (a) god(s) is a pathetic way of escaping your dull and boring way, looking for a way to explain things which differs from being descendant of monkeys. Sad.

    If there was any proof, if there was any evidence that anything regarding Islam, Judaism or Christianity was true. If anything showed us that there was a "divine being", that Jesus revived from the dead. If God somehow appeared, if he did wonders, if he acted. If he did anything. But no.
    Christians believe in god because some ordinary people around 100 AD and later wrote some mystical stories about jesus which were eventually combined with a lot of stories from judaism (old testament). I mean seriously, you believe in that because of some ancient myths, because some people wrote about a guy who claimed to be "son of god"???!! Some guy in the first century claimed to be the son of god, he claimed to have revived and to have cured many very sick people. We rly believe in that? So next thing is that we go around the streets, look for random sects and believe that their leader is our new messiah? How poor is that?
    Mohammed is just as sad, you seriously believe "god came and told him all that koran stuff" (through an angel or whatever)
    Riiiiight. It doesnt want to get into my head how you can be so pathetic as to believe that.

    And hahaha, all of these stories in the bible or koran, nowhere do they get backed up! No proof supports them! They talk about god, saying there is a god who is omniscient and omnipotent. But haha! He NEVER DOES ANYTHING, NEVER EVER! There is exactly no evidence that something like that exists! Only our poor and warped minds have made him up in order to compensate our fears.
    Isnt it funny how most big religions always say that everything is after death? That god will only be there and that he, for some reason, doesnt want to do anything in our world here? Isnt it a biiiit coincidental that nobody has ever come back from the dead?

    I mean that's kind of easy, "there is a god who rules everything, you must obey him, you must be a good person! But! he will only appear after your death, then he will punish you or be nice to you"
    Funny how that cannot bew proven. Nobody has ever come back to tell. We live here, believing in that myth just because some ordinary people 2000 and more years ago claimed a god to exist. Just because of that. Isnt that sad? We believe in someone for who there is exactly no logical evidence, let alone any proof.

    What is the point, I mean seriously?

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    What is the point, I mean seriously?
    Some people believe in it?
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    And what is the point in doing so...? It is just completelly illogical and pointless tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuNL1ghT View Post
    And what is the point in doing so...? It is just completelly illogical and pointless tbh
    Didn't really read it all but...
    It's a simple logic problem. Humans always look for a creator. They see everything as a pyramid structure. Someone has to be on the top.
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    It ain't going anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuNL1ghT View Post
    what is still the point of religion?
    Spiritual fulfilment for those who are open to it. As long as humans exist, there will be different opinions on what the nature of existence is, and why things are. So, likewise, we will always have attempts to systematically explain the universe, i.e religions and philosophies.

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    "The Hearth has its own reasons which intelligence doesnt know" (not precise translation but meaning should be same, autor is French philosopher whom name I cant remember right now). For some people logic means denyning "not logic" things, for some logic means there has to be Logic with big L, for world around us is too logic to be just accident, even when some "accidents" are visible all in all is just kind of mosaic greater than the one who is looking at that.
    Example: Someone has a dog. Can this dog comprehand (understand) his owner? A man knows a lot about dogs, dog probably not much about humans but not understanding doesnt mean not having relation. For we as other creatures dont have just brain but "heart" too. Human "3D" - first we see physic, for second we may observe psychic dimmension of a man and for a third D. - well too many people rather accept just 2D. 3rd should be soul. Something special in us, something really original unlike physic where are not big differencies, unlike psychic where are several "sorts of behaviour" like sanguinic, choleric, flegmatic, melancholic (more precisly mixtures of them) but each one can find himself in one of those. Something so original that no one before and after will have, deepness, or that "spark" in the eyes which goes away when those eyes are though open but dead. Something unexplainable but doesnt mean not real. Like relation between dog and a man, dog wont explain but can have.
    P.S.: aint reducing dignity of man to dog´s one its just a comparison. (though its "funny" to see some people who take care more about their dogs than neighbours)

    Few comments to first post:
    More than words what spreaded Christianity around Roman Empire was an example, witness.
    Today we are smarter, more educated but not better. To be good isnt about words (learned but not accepted by "heart" only by brain).
    Bible says about first sin - "you will be like god" - same story in your question. There is no God but I. First and alway present temptation. Everything is for me. Question is for what am I? If just for myself than God is an obstacle.
    I think its a pity to have such questions but questioning them after already given answers for usually people dont wanna learn but defend themselves. For if they would learn they had to change themselves to better people and is much easier to change others or "God" than myself. Is much easier to say about something thats bad, thats rubbish, nonsense than to change from bad one to good one. Even Bible says thats impossible for a man, that was the reason why Jesus came.
    About order to eliminate pagan towns given to Jews - every man will die once, so what life is moure precious for God? This one or the next? If bcs of this one should be the next lost - "rather cut your leg or had and enter kingdom than go to hell with it". So the meaning of this order I understand as harsh answer against danger of loosing faith, of loosing eternal life. They all died, but not all of them for eternity they preserved thier faith. Their faith was young, not deep, so fragile, to preserve it required harsh ways. If we have to educate little baby, we cant explain why baby cant stick it fingers to plug, we cant explain what electricity is, we just give order: stay away from it (its just an example we can blomb that I know) but when this kid will grow, once understands why there was such order. That time no such order will be required but own thinking I dont wanna do that. Problem is that kids tries to look like adult too often.
    Last idea I mention - when Jesus was leaving his apostles He said to them: "I give you new commandment to love each other as I has." So from 10 commandments where are just orders and prohibitions (as for kids) new (what includes those before) commandment is given for "adult" in their fatih.
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    Religion explaining the universe?

    Ha ha

    Ha ha

    Religion explains nothing, it doesnt give any arguments nor anything else. Religion says: "it is/was like this, thats a fact"

    Hey, I could make my own religion. I believe the flying spaghetti monster was tired, so it created a bed. However, when it lay on the bed, the bed broke into pieces. One of those pieces is our universe.
    After we die, we will become little meatballs (if we were bad humans), so the Great Dog can eat us. The Great Dog is the bad evil thingy, always attempting to eat the spaghetti monster. If we were good humans, the spaghetti monster will give us unlimited spaghetti to eat.
    Being good means eating lots of spaghetti during your stay on earth.

    like it? It is as logical and makes as much sense as e.g. christianity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuNL1ghT View Post
    Religion explains nothing, it doesnt give any arguments nor anything else. Religion says: "it is/was like this, thats a fact"
    Not...really. You're misrepresenting religion in general based purely on conservative monotheism. You are discounting the fact that most religions actually accept scientific learning, and don't try to explain the universe directly. Rather than explain how things work, which is solidly the realm of empiricism, religions and philosophical systems generally try to provide answers to why things work in abstract terms, that temporarily fills the spaces which science has yet to inform upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Not...really. You're misrepresenting religion in general based purely on conservative monotheism. You are discounting the fact that most religions actually accept scientific learning, and don't try to explain the universe directly. Rather than explain how things work, which is solidly the realm of empiricism, religions and philosophical systems generally try to provide answers to why things work in abstract terms, that temporarily fills the spaces which science has yet to inform upon.
    Which is another way of admitting that those religions are wrong and that they know it, but are subsisting until scientific endeavour tears them up by the roots.

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    So you believe whatever science tells you and everything can be explained by science?
    He should. So long as you understand that "what science tells you" means whatever is indicated to be true by the present preponderance of evidence that can be uncovered by the scientific method of discovery and analysis. That is just common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    Which is another way of admitting that those religions are wrong and that they know it, but are subsisting until scientific endeavour tears them up by the roots.
    Not really. It's saying that religion does two things. 1) it interprets scientific knowledge based on a specific religio-philosophical outlook, and 2) uses that outlook to also explain things unverified or unknown by current scientific terms, until such time as scientific empiricism can verify and know such phenomena and the religio-philosophic system in question can interpret it with the full picture in mind.

    To me, science is a tool to understand the universe, and religion/philosophy is the system which interprets it with a particular outlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    He should. So long as you understand that "what science tells you" means whatever is indicated to be true by the present preponderance of evidence that can be uncovered by the scientific method of discovery and analysis. That is just common sense.
    I know but I wanna know if he takes whatever the science tells takes for granted. Everything we know about science can be wrong. Just because we established some set of rules about how things are doesn't mean they can not be broken. For me science is just like religion.
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    The idea that they may be true never figures into these peoples mind does it?

    If God somehow appeared, if he did wonders, if he acted. If he did anything. But no.
    Lol Jesus did that and you don't believe it.

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    Belief in a god that cares about us makes people feel special and important. It also removes some of the uncertainty in death and replaces it with a nice story. Non-existence after death is a difficult concept to accept and most people will suspend logic to believe otherwise. An afterlife is such a powerful idea that people will sometimes kill themselves or others to try to get there faster. So, religion is just a way to avoid coming to grips with our own permanent mortality and the ultimate meaninglessness of life.

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    More like

    what's the point in these threads that pop up every week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
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    what's the point in these threads that pop up every week?
    Almost exactly my first thought.

    Everything in life that exists in life, exists because it just has to, the forces that drive the mechanics of the universe, whether big or small, somehow just collided in a way that made this present combination of elements exist because there's no other way it could have been.

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    @SuNL1ghT
    So you believe whatever science tells you and everything can be explained by science?
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    "Religions is st00pid becoz I sai s0"?

    Surely this must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Spamurai View Post
    "Religions is st00pid becoz I sai s0"?

    Surely this must be true.
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    DarkLordSeth, science uses logic. Lots of evidence tells us that science is correct. While science cannot explain everything yet (I'm sure it will be able to one day), many many things make perfect sense with it. Many things are proven.

    Religion however is completely different. Religions just claim something. I claim that the spaghetti monster created the universe. On top of that, religion always *coincidently* argues in a very lame way - e.g. christianity just claims that after death you will be united with god (if you were a good person and believed in him). But how can that be proven? It cant. Nobody ever came back from death so claming such a thing is easy.
    After our death we will all become spaghetti. See? Same logic. Cant be proven, no evidence nor proof for it. Just ridiculous

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