Cultures of Middle Earth

[Blackheart1323]

Anyone know or have any ideas on how cultures (formerly orthodox, catholic, muslim) will be split up in the game. Like will it be dark/light. Elven/Men..or what?

I'd like if Gondor, elves, rohan and stuff were in a same culture that would be less likely to attack each other as well as isengard, mordor and harad.

[lordyu]

Númenóreans AKA Dúnedain Both North and South
ROHIRRIM- Rohan
Haradrim
Easterlings
Dwarves
Elves- Silvan/Sindar/Noldor etc or Lórien/Woodland Realm/Lindon etc
Mordor

[Blackheart1323]

Númenóreans AKA Dúnedain Both North and South
ROHIRRIM- Rohan
Haradrim
Easterlings
Dwarves
Elves- Silvan/Sindar/Noldor etc or Lórien/Woodland Realm/Lindon etc
Mordor

What about gondor...it's own culture?

[Glorfindel]

it says Dunedain above

(though i prefer "Numenorean")

[Australia]

Well Rohan, Gondor, Eriador, Dwarves, Elves should have one culture as they all worship Eru and the Valar in one form or the other or at least don't worship Souron.

[The Count(er)]

well there is a hardcoded number of religions which is really what the culture system is and I think the number is 10 so that list has almost reached the limit already

[Mithrandir]

well there is a hardcoded number of religions which is really what the culture system is and I think the number is 10 so that list has almost reached the limit already

That's not a problem, there's only Dale left. What should it be? Certainly not Daleish...

[The Count(er)]

Daleish how about just Men of Dale/Gondor/Rohan etc.

[Mithrandir]

Daleish how about just Men of Dale/Gondor/Rohan etc.

You always overlook the obvious...

[Mithrandir]

Númenorean
Rohirric
Dunedainic
Elvish
Dwarvish
Orcish
Haradric
Rhûnic

What about Dale?

[Dex]

Númenorean
Rohirric
Dunedainic
Elvish
Dwarvish
Orcish
Haradric
Rhûnic

What about Dale?

Dale should probably be Rohirric, which should be renamed to a more general "Northmen," or something along those lines.

My understanding of the history of Men in Tolkien's world places to major events that define what their culture should be. The first is the split between the Edain who migrated West and those who remained in the East. Thus, the men of Rhun and the Haradrim can probably be safely netted into a larger "Easterling" cultural group. The second major cultural division would be between the Three Houses of Edain, who later became the Numenorians, and the Northmen, who are descended from the Edain but never fought in the battles of the First Age. That group of Northmen basically includes all men who lived west of the Anduin before the descendants of Numenor founded the Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor.

To tie it all up into a neat chart:

CULTURE
- Group of men who belong to that faction

NUMENORIAN
- Men of Gondor
- Dunedian
- Corsairs of Umbar (who descended from Castamir the Usurper)
NORTHMEN
- Rohirrim
- Men of Dale
- Dunlendings
EASTERLINGS
- Men of Rhun
- Haradrim

I can see where people might object to lumping the Haradrim and other Easterlings into the same cultural group, but other than that I think this list is fairly solid for the race of Men.

[The Big Red 1]

Dale should probably be Rohirric, which should be renamed to a more general "Northmen," or something along those lines.

My understanding of the history of Men in Tolkien's world places to major events that define what their culture should be. The first is the split between the Edain who migrated West and those who remained in the East. Thus, the men of Rhun and the Haradrim can probably be safely netted into a larger "Easterling" cultural group. The second major cultural division would be between the Three Houses of Edain, who later became the Numenorians, and the Northmen, who are descended from the Edain but never fought in the battles of the First Age. That group of Northmen basically includes all men who lived west of the Anduin before the descendants of Numenor founded the Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor.

To tie it all up into a neat chart:

CULTURE
- Group of men who belong to that faction

NUMENORIAN
- Men of Gondor
- Dunedian
- Corsairs of Umbar (who descended from Castamir the Usurper)
NORTHMEN
- Rohirrim
- Men of Dale
- Dunlendings
EASTERLINGS
- Men of Rhun
- Haradrim

I can see where people might object to lumping the Haradrim and other Easterlings into the same cultural group, but other than that I think this list is fairly solid for the race of Men.

Corsairs are a part of Harad, and I have no problem making Harad easterlings because they were EASTERLINGS. In fact in the movie the ppl walking through the black gate are Haradrim. Their flag has a black serpent on it.Which is the flag of Harad.

[Eleril]

Well,it is fairly easy to tell the cultures in Middle-earth from one another.The "evil" factions should belong to a cult of Morgoth and we could call it.....Morendil.The Elves,all of them,worship the Valar in general and they could be split into three "cults"-the cult of Aule,the cult of Varda and the cult of Ulmo.We could call this culture Silendil.For dwarves we could name it Aulendil because they are the Children of Aule.The Edain do not have some specific god(Valar) to whom they bow so it could be simply split in two-Adunaic and Ennorwaith meaning Men of the West and the Folk of Middle-earth.And as it was said before we could call the "evil" men's culture Easterlings or Rhunwaith.

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

Actually, Umbar was a Numenorean city, founded by Numenoreans, and ruled over by Black Numenorean Lords. There certainly would have been a certain amount of mingling between the Numenorean and Haradrim populations of the city, but at the time of the War of the Ring, the descendents of Castamir the Usurper (a king of Gondor who stole the throne from the rightful heir, Eldacar, thus sparking a civil war) continued to rule over the city. Thus, the Corsairs were Numenoreans, not Haradrim.

I agree completely with Dex's post, and I think the other factions' cultures should be easy enough to decide upon. After all, they should be just some generic Noldor, Silvan, Dwarfish and Creatures of Darkness cultures

[The Big Red 1]

Actually, Umbar was a Numenorean city, founded by Numenoreans, and ruled over by Black Numenorean Lords. There certainly would have been a certain amount of mingling between the Numenorean and Haradrim populations of the city, but at the time of the War of the Ring, the descendents of Castamir the Usurper (a king of Gondor who stole the throne from the rightful heir, Eldacar, thus sparking a civil war) continued to rule over the city. Thus, the Corsairs were Numenoreans, not Haradrim.

I agree completely with Dex's post, and I think the other factions' cultures should be easy enough to decide upon. After all, they should be just some generic Noldor, Silvan, Dwarfish and Creatures of Darkness cultures

If in this mod Umbar is not part of the country of Harad then I will be really mad at you for that post. Plus I thought Harad conquered Umbar. Thus making them Haradrim, I don't care about their background.

[The Count(er)]

I think background is important a elf in orc slavery for 10 years is still a elf and can not be a orc unit

[The Big Red 1]

I think background is important a elf in orc slavery for 10 years is still a elf and can not be a orc unit

Not unless my orcs brain wash them.

[The Count(er)]

but we can't design a orc unit that has one elf who thinks he's orc in it now can we so perhaps make Umbar start with a mix of haradrim and dunedain is good

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

If in this mod Umbar is not part of the country of Harad then I will be really mad at you for that post. Plus I thought Harad conquered Umbar. Thus making them Haradrim, I don't care about their background.

I'm not saying Umbar shouldn't be part of Harad - they are always pictured as being more or less one nation, by the end of the Third Age. The Black Numenorean lords of Umbar often ruled over much of Near Harad themselves, so it would be stupid to split them. Harad never conquered Umbar, although mingling did occur between the Numenoreans and the Haradrim, as I stated. Thus, Umbar was of Numenorean culture in the lore, whether or not that is represented in the mod. Besides, what we are talking about in this thread is culture, not which political entity each city is a part of - Umbar should be part of Harad, but with a mixture of Haradrim and Numenorean culture.

[Iustinianos]

I completely agree with both Dex and Colonel Cleg McLeg. Umbar must be part of Harad, but the city should have a mix of Haradrim and Black Numenorean culture. The Elves should have their culture devided into Noldorian and Silvan imo.