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    zedestroyer's Avatar Biarchus
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    Default Armenia

    I was starting an Armenian campaign, I started to see what troops could I train in each level of barracks, when I realized that Eastern Legionaries need Marian Reforms. When I realized that I compared those with the Roman units and realized that someone screwed Armenia.

    Eastern Legionaries are now a useless unit. They have a weaker missile attack than Principes (the rest it's the same) and they can only be trained after Marian Reforms. So they became obsolete the moment they became available for training.

    In the readme is written that Armenia have good horse archers and good infantry.
    What good infantry? Armenia only have Heavy Spearmen, that is a average unit that, with some luck, can hold the line and nothing else, before Marian Reforms. After the reforms, Armenia can train the obsolete Eastern Legionaries, that can't match even the weakest roman unit and that is incapable of forming testuto. It's ridiculous to wait so long for a such unit. Greeks have Thorakitai, that "show considerable Roman influence", before the Marian Reforms, these units are similar to the Eastern Legionaries.
    Good horse Archers? Armenia only have the basic horse archers and then the might but slow cataphract archers, but there's no medium horse archer unit, just Eastern Cavalry. And Armenia isn't in the group of the Horse Factions, so their cavalry don't have the superior cavalry numbers of those factions.

    I think that Armenia have the worst infantry in the mod, with the exception of the horse faction, and it's cavalry it's not good as the cavalry of those factions, making Armenia one of the most underpowered factions of the mod.


    To correct this I suggest transforming Eastern Legionaries into Armenian Legionaries, Pontus already have great phalanx units so it's unfair to give to Pontus the best infantry unit of Armenia. I suggest to:
    - Making Eastern Legionaries available to Armenia before Marian Reforms and adding a medium horse archer unit.
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    - Making Eastern Legionaries stronger, with their skills close to those of the Roman Legionaries and capable of Testuto, adding a medium horse archer unit and making Cataphract Archers available sooner.

    Of course that other units are needed to make Armenia a better faction to play with, but these small modifications would make Armenia a much better faction.


    Don't get me wrong I like the mod, I played with Bactria, that have a very good combination of troops, Carthage , that have a great variety of troops and some strong units, and Macedon, that have very strong and balanced armies.
    But Armenia lack a coherent unit rooster, with weak infantry units and good but not amazing cavalry units. It's hard to play with Armenia, unless I spam Cataphract Archers, but that's not a fun thing o do.







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    Default Re: Armenia

    Well, Armenian units are all the same as vanilla's so I'm not surprised you aren't satisfied with them. Your totally right, and I agree, Armenia has sorta been ignored for XGM, they need a total roster overhaul.



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    Default Re: Armenia

    Legionaries and legionary-type troops are far more formidable when given shield_wall instead of testudo.

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    Except against the Scythians and other Horse Archers. I'd never have beaten them with my legions having a shield wall instead of a testudo.

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    Default Re: Armenia

    Armenia is due to get at least one good infantry unit (heavy swordsmen) once I'm done with the model.

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    Default Re: Armenia

    I'd rather see a royal spearmen unit for them, EB has a good example:
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    Default Re: Armenia

    Can we have both?


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    Default Re: Armenia

    Yeah both - I second that.

    Fix the problem, not the blame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier View Post
    Yeah both - I second that.
    Thirded

    You guys are lucky Drtad doesn't play XGM...



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    Default Re: Armenia

    Quote Originally Posted by cherryfunk View Post
    Thirded
    Fourthed.

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    Zarax's Avatar Triple Chaosmaster
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    Default Re: Armenia

    Quote Originally Posted by cherryfunk View Post
    Thirded

    You guys are lucky Drtad doesn't play XGM...
    Not that we would mind extra manpower or players...
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    Default Re: Armenia

    An heavy swordmen would be quite a duplicated of existing units imho and not very original, what Armenia needs is a good unit capable of standing heavy cav charges (Scythia) and go toe to toe with phalangites (everybody else around).

    Other than that, they should gain access to levy phalanx imho.
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    Default Re: Armenia

    I think they need a horse archer unit that combines the melee capabilities of the Cataphract Archers with the mobility of the basic horse archers, something close to the Bactrian Horse Archers or better.

    For infantry, Armenia lacks a elite ranged unit, almost all factions have one or access to one. I think a swordsman is not a great idea, maybe something resembling the Persian immortals, bowmans with spear and shield, and making East legionaries stronger and available only for Armenia before the Marian Reforms, maybe changing their name to Roman Imitations or even Armenian Thorikitai. Adding more falanx units to Armenia will not be a good idea, Armenia should have a mobile army, maybe some hoplite kind of unit.

    But Armenia needs new units, that's a fact.







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    Default Re: Armenia

    Except he might kill every one of us just because we've ignored Armenia so much...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Scutarii View Post
    Except he might kill every one of us just because we've ignored Armenia so much...
    Sorry Ar..Where was that? Don't know if I 've ever heard of there.

    What they're a faction in XGM and RTW, well I never.


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    Default Re: Armenia

    And to think I even proposed to convert them into a pontic rebel faction once...
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